Ukrainian War Developments

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Lapin

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Vietnam was supplied with top of the line equipment including Soviet pilots and operators.
There is no way for Russia to get out of Ukraine with even a short term win.
"Vietnam was supplied with top of the line equipment including Soviet pilots and operators."

As far as I know, Soviet pilots fought (from bases in China) in Korea but not in Vietnam.
For a few years, some North Korean fighter pilots did fight in Vietnam.
 

Zichan

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You're judging this invasion based on US style shock-n-awe campaign. But what if the Russians planned the invasion to use the minimum force possible? In this case, an invasion force that's numerically inferior to the defender and using as little air power as possible.
I don't follow this logic. If you're using minimum force and the other side is numerically superior and using maximum force, you are basically setting yourself up for defeat.

I think that Russian plan honestly expected the Ukrainian resistance to collapse within days and the Russian soldiers to be welcomed as liberators. They sent token forces deep into Ukraine expecting that the local populace would overthrow the local government at the first sight of the Russian liberation army. It was quite obvious that their orders in the opening days was to be as gentle as possible.
The Russian force engages and/or pins down the numerically superior Ukrainian forces across the battleline, aided by bare minimum amount of air superiority, while achieving force superiority in key locations to overcome the enemies, and slowly destroy enemy positions one by one. In other words, a Napoleon defeat in detail strategy. Why would Russia want to do that? Well, maybe because Russia wants to keep a large portion of its force, especially strategic ones in reserve just in case of a direct NATO military confrontation. In other words, Russia can't afford to do US style shock-n-awe invasion. The fact Russia announcing the end of phase 1 coincides with the near fall of Mariupol seems to confirm that Russia has just that in mind.
Russia committed 120 of its battalion tactical groups to Ukraine out of about 170. BTGs are the core of the ground forces, which are not that large at 280,000 active duty in total. They also have about 45,000 Airborne troops, 12,000 naval infantry and an undisclosed number of SOFs.

Ukraine started the war with about 200,000 active duty soldiers, bolstered by a paramilitary force at least 100,000 strong. They have been mobilizing for a full month now and thanks to a deluge of small firearm supplies arriving from the West they won't be running into a problem equipping those troops anytime soon. From what I've been able to gather they've already mobilized an additional 150,000 troops. The war has entered a phase of attrition and it's not looking good for Russia right now.
 

james smith esq

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I thought you were a boxing man? You should know not to call fights early....
Some matches are obvious mismatches!

This war was a huge mistake from before the start! As Virtup warned about my mocking posts, there were “waaaayyyy better ways to” accomplish all Russia’s objectives, and more, than this!

So, yeah, an obvious mismatch, I’m callin’, even before the bell!

And, now that you mention it, there are some good matches on tonight!
 

Lapin

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I don't follow this logic. If you're using minimum force and the other side is numerically superior and using maximum force, you are basically setting yourself up for defeat.

I think that Russian plan honestly expected the Ukrainian resistance to collapse within days and the Russian soldiers to be welcomed as liberators. They sent token forces deep into Ukraine expecting that the local populace would overthrow the local government at the first sight of the Russian liberation army. It was quite obvious that their orders in the opening days was to be as gentle as possible.

Russia committed 120 of its battalion tactical groups to Ukraine out of about 170. BTGs are the core of the ground forces, which are not that large at 280,000 active duty in total. They also have about 45,000 Airborne troops, 12,000 naval infantry and an undisclosed number of SOFs.

Ukraine started the war with about 200,000 active duty soldiers, bolstered by a paramilitary force at least 100,000 strong. They have been mobilizing for a full month now and thanks to a deluge of small firearm supplies arriving from the West they won't be running into a problem equipping those troops anytime soon. From what I've been able to gather they've already mobilized an additional 150,000 troops. The war has entered a phase of attrition and it's not looking good for Russia right now.
"I think that Russian plan honestly expected the Ukrainian resistance to collapse within days and the Russian soldiers
to be welcomed as liberators."

Russian intelligence failed if it expected that invading Russian soldiers would be 'welcomed as liberators' by anyone in Ukraine
besides some ethnic Russians. Indeed, a significant proportion of Russians disapprove of this 'special military operation'.
 

TK3600

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If it was just about the Donbass, it wouldn't explain why Russia has been gradually increasing their demands at negotiations. That's according to Zelensky himself. He said the Russians were asking for Kiev and Kharkov.
It also wouldn't explain why cities outside Donbass are currently being integrated into the Russian state.

How can the Ukrainian state survive for 9 months with no basic infrastructure, let alone the army?

I think the world economy will be fine overall and any damage to the EU will be self inflicted.

I think the smart thing for Germany to do right now is call up Putin and make a deal to split Poland. Just like old times...
What, Kiev.
 

james smith esq

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And, now, the Senile One calls for regime change:

Biden says Putin ‘cannot remain in power’ as he assures Ukraine: ‘We stand with you’​

'For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power,' Biden said during a speech from Warsaw, Poland

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You’ve heard of Idocracy, well, this is an Idiodyssey, and we’re all (except for China and North Korea, Lol) sailing on ships Captained by fools!



 
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Sardaukar20

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Ivan Zaliznyak. If it is truly him. Then this scum only has himself to blame for what is coming for him. Right now, he has just been doxxed. In the online world, he should get hate and death threats. But in the real world, Kadyrov's men are coming for him. And those guys are not nice people to their enemies.
 

emblem21

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And, now, the Senile One calls for regime change:

Biden says Putin ‘cannot remain in power’ as he assures Ukraine: ‘We stand with you’​

'For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power,' Biden said during a speech from Warsaw, Poland

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Man that idiot is getting bi-polar. If the USA is willing to send their people to die in Ukraine, he should either do it now or STFU because nothing he is doing now is helping in any sort of way. God is not on this idiot's side and if he doesn't manage himself well, he might just end up perishing before the call of surrender comes. The USA supports Nazis and will one day come to regret their actions too late.

Ivan Zaliznyak. If it is truly him. Then this scum only has himself to blame for what is coming for him. Right now, he has just been doxxed. In the online world, he should get hate and death threats. But in the real world, Kadyrov's men are coming for him. And those guys are not nice people to their enemies.
And this bi&*h is going to suffer long and hard when the Russian's come after him and the rest of his worthless kind. I wonder, is his love ones safe because the moment these kind of people show there true colors, people tend true and commit of a scorch the earth policy when it comes to ensuring the complete erasure of people like him from the face of the earth and if their is one things the Russians are, soft isn't one of them
 
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