Ukrainian War Developments

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Jingle Bells

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to fight, kill, fulfill the taks of The West

the interview with Alexey Arestovich on the one hand and this guy on the other hand complete the picture of the striking case of the Ukrainian tragedy
What exactly is his point?
To be blunt, he talks a lot, but what exactly is his point?
 

Abominable

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The US media now claims that Russia has failed to achieve air superiority because Ukraine's air force still can make a few sorties.
By that standard, the USA never achieved air superiority over Vietnam. The USA never succeeded in eradicating the VPAF.
The VPAF made many more sorties than Ukraine's air force evidently is doing now.

"VPAF flew their interceptors with superb guidance from ground controllers, who positioned the MiGs in perfect ambush battle stations.
The MIGs made fast and devastating attacks against US formations from several directions (usually the MiG-17s performed head-on
attacks and the MiG-21s attacked from the rear). After shooting down a few American planes and forcing some of the F-105s to drop
their bombs prematurely, the MiGs did not wait for retaliation, but disengaged rapidly. This "
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in the air" proved very
successful. In December 1966 the MiG-21 pilots of the 921st FR downed 14 F-105s without any losses.
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The U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Navy continued to lay down great expectations on the F-4 Phantom, assuming that the massive arms,
the perfect on-board radar, the highest speed and acceleration properties, coupled with the new tactics would provide F-4s an
advantage over the MiGs. But in encounters with lighter VPAF's MiG-21, F-4 began to suffer defeat. From May to December 1966, the
US lost 47 aircraft in air battles, destroying only 12 enemy's fighters. From April 1965 to November 1968, in 268 air battles conducted
over North Vietnam, VPAF claimed to have shot down 244 US or
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(RVNAF) aircraft and they lost 85 MiGs.
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, the number of U.S. aircraft lost confirmed by themselves is unconfirmed since the
U.S. figures are also suspect. If a plane was badly damaged, but managed to land, the USAF did not count as a loss, even if it was too
damaged to fly again."
--Wikipedia

US propaganda and practically all popular American history books embellish American airpower's performances in Korea and Vietnam.
In the Korean War, the Americans did not score air victories at a ratio of 10-1 or 11-1, as usually claimed by American writers.
And, contrary to the myth that the USA never has bombed China, the USAF deliberately attacked targets well inside China.
In one American documentary, a proud American pilot condemned Chinese 'aggression' (his term) for daring to fire back
at American aircraft that were attacking an air base well inside China.

During the US war in Indochina, at least several American aircraft were shot down over Hainan.
At least one shot-down American airman was captured and detained in China until the end of war.
(The USA secretly negotiated with China for the release of American airmen shot down over Hainan.)
This chapter of history remains almost completely covered up or censored in the US media.

By the way, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) did receive some direct aid in its air defense.
China sent thousands of troops to help man flak or SAM batteries, which allowed Hanoi to send more men to the front.
For a few years, the DPRK (North Korea) sent an elite unit of fighter pilots (flying MiG-17s and MiG-21s) to Vietnam.
You don't even need to go that far back.

According to the current definition NATO never got air supremacy in the Kosovo war.
 

gelgoog

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Let's see..... NATO issued a formal invitation for membership in 2008 to both Ukraine and Georgia. but why NOW in 2022?

Why 2022 for invasion?
Why 2022? The truth is in 2008 Russia invaded Georgia after Georgia tried to get Ossetia back. And Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 after the Euromaidan coup. After that Russia was sanctioned. They had to strengthen their economy to get ready for full blown economic war from the West. Like I said here before in 2014 Russia was still dependent on food imports from the West. All their bank transfers even inside Russia were done with SWIFT. All cards were Visa and Mastercard. Full blown conflict back then was way too hard. Plus they depended on Ukraine for things like military helicopter engines and cruise missile engines. Russia tried a calibrated response to Euromaidan coup. With the expectation that would have been enough to temper NATO aspirations. But since then, since Trump became President, NATO started pumping weapons into Ukraine. Now the US got Joe Biden as President. One of the guys in the Obama administration behind 2014 Euromaidan coup with a staff filled with people like Victoria Nuland. The Ukraine government grew increasingly radicalized. Russia had to attack before it became too difficult.
 

Weaasel

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At some point, people need to stop giving excuses for the piss poor performance that Russians have put up so far. They are still unable to achieve air dominance after a month of conflict. How do you lose so many generals because you are incapable of using encrypted communication?

You might want to listen to shilao podcast on this. They speak to people in pla all the time. They cannot believe Russians have fought this war the way they have. If pla put the same effort on Taiwan scenario, the Taiwanese would not even need American help to fight out an invasion.
Russia does have air dominance. Air dominance is different from absolute air control.
 

pmc

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I have all sympathy with Ukranians but they have to show competency.
Are there fighter sorties actual fighter sorties or just flying around away from the battlefield or another theory Russians let them fly so they want to know which airbase in again operational.
 

Overbom

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From a Ukrainian source so take it with a grain of salt
"⚡️ Kharkiv nuclear research reactor hit by Russian shelling.

The nuclear research reactor at the Kharkiv Institute of Physics and Technology has come under renewed Russian fire.

Ukrainian authorities have not yet been able to assess damage to the site, due to constant shelling."
 
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