Ukrainian War Developments

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SampanViking

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Can someone provide data or analysis on the map here. Or refer me to the post/site if its been done already.

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Is ukraine concentrating most of its force near russian controlled areas or do they still have massive swathes of equipment and troops for when they advance further. For example in Cherkasy or Odesa.

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It really does look like the Jaws of the beast and once the Ukrainian forces in the Donbas start to move out and all the fronts collpase, as they will surely do, those jaws will close in on those trying to escape. It is not going to be pretty.
 

Tam

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Can someone provide data or analysis on the map here. Or refer me to the post/site if its been done already.

Ukraine_map_2022_03_25.jpg


Is ukraine concentrating most of its force near russian controlled areas or do they still have massive swathes of equipment and troops for when they advance further. For example in Cherkasy or Odesa.

Thanks.


They are going to concentrate on the east and the south, taking the areas east and around the Dniepr river. Another force will turn and head to Odessa, the result of which is to cut Ukraine off from the Black Sea. The attack on Kiev is likely a diversion that holds down the main Ukrainian army while they take Donesk, Lugansk and Kharkov, then sweep north and west ward to Dniepr. The Southern and Eastern forces will merge into a more concentrated front while they sweep northwest taking all the territory east of the Dniepr and around it.

I do not think the Russians plan to conquer the whole of Ukraine anyway, nor take over Kiev, but put Zelensky into a position and offer a "golden bridge" that will result in negotiating away the eastern part of Ukraine east and around the Dniepr into Russia and as part of the new Donetsk and Lugansk Republics. The western Ukraine becomes a neutral in the model of Finland or Switzerland.

What I see here is the UKR having divided their forces trying to defend Kiev, with a large part of their forces being held down at Kiev, while the Russians buckle in on defensive positions, awaiting UKR counterattacks and making it bloody for the UKR. With UKR forces tied down and diverted to the north, the LBR, NBR, and the RU armies to the south and the east sweep the south.
 

Tam

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It really does look like the Jaws of the beast and once the Ukrainian forces in the Donbas start to move out and all the fronts collpase, as they will surely do, those jaws will close in on those trying to escape. It is not going to be pretty.

There is no Field Marshall Model here.

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Overbom

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It looks like the Russians have accepted they can't win this war. Now they are going to make up a story, declare victory and leave.

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There has been some discussion here for what is the minimum for Russia to get in order to come out of this strategically , at the very least, neutral.

For me, anything else than Russia getting (annex/puppet/vassal) Eastern Ukraine and South Ukraine is a failure

The costs that Russia has paid are too big for only getting some little territory
 

Atomicfrog

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It looks like the Russians have accepted they can't win this war. Now they are going to make up a story, declare victory and leave.

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Yep, second face is Donbass for sure,

third is the territories east of Dnieper and south.

Fourth is ceasefire and annexation of the east and the south or Kiev and Lyev are nuked.
 

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There has been some discussion here for what is the minimum for Russia to get in order to come out of this strategically , at the very least, neutral.

For me, anything else than Russia getting (annex/puppet/vassal) Eastern Ukraine and South Ukraine is a failure

The costs that Russia has paid are too big for only getting some little territory
They could grasp Ukraine and it wouldn’t compensate for the geopolitical fallout and a new generation of PTSD ridden young men.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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It looks like the Russians have accepted they can't win this war. Now they are going to make up a story, declare victory and leave.

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Doesn’t look like it to me. In his speech on the day of the invasion, Putin specifically said that the point of the operation was to “protect” Donbass. Since the bulk of Ukrainian forces is there, the next phase also will “demilitarize” Ukraine. The annexation of Ukraine as a whole was never openly stated to be the main objective.
 
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