Ukrainian War Developments

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Coalescence

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Things will change now. A new order is happening and Russia must first gain some self respects and stop selling themsleves to the west. Putin's biggest task should be ending the corruption.
And the west is doing a good job helping Putin with that goal, by cutting business ties, closing their markets to Russia and stealing the reserves and properties of those oligarchs. They have destroyed a way for them to gain influence and corrupt the people in high position within Russia, fueled Putin's narrative of the West being out to get them, and destroyed any trust the Russian oligarch's has in parking their cash and assets in their country.

Putin will seize this momentum to push for reforms and laws that he couldn't do in peace time and completely reform Russia's economy.
 

Abominable

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I thought it would be under 2,000. If that includes Mariupol then that's pretty good for the campaign so far.

Also going by UN numbers for civilian deaths it means this is another war where civilians deaths are less than soldiers.
I believe that they are significantly higher, but no where near as high as Western or Ukrainian figures either...
In most recent wars countries are pretty truthful about the numbers of their own soldiers killed. The "lies" come when they talk about the number of enemy kills. E.g. Galwan. I believe both Ukrainians and the Russians when it comes to their own dead.
 

sheogorath

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Official Russian casualties.
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The Russian military said 1,351 service members have now been killed in Ukraine, with 3,825 wounded. It was Russia’s first update on combat casualties in more than three weeks.

This also contrasts with the numbers of civilians killed according to the UN, which sat at 964 las time I checked.

Which doesn't jive with the western media and ukraninia government narrative of wanton attack on civilians by the russians.
 

Helius

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The gift just keeps on giving -

Topics discussed:

- Exclusion of Russia from Interpol (which Kenya apparently supports);

- 5 Eyes to employ "tough measures" on Russia;

- Creation of system of "independent sovereign free nations" to counter "friends of Putin and his barbarism";

- UK has no cap on visas for Ukrainian refugees; over 4,000 visas already issued;

- According to Patel, 'British feminists' are not afraid of 'Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazis' and "the support is very significant" in the UK;

- Seizing of oligarch wealth, properties and mansions in the UK, and converting them to residences for Zelenskyy;

- Bellingcat "speaks truth to power" and "stands up for real facts", rather than "peddling falsehoods" like Assange;

- Legislations to target Russians in UK as foreign agents; "permissive activity" across UK institutions, cultural and educational establishments;

- UK has "very specialist work" taking place on screening Russians and students entering the UK whether they are FSB agents and where their loyalty lies on Crimea and Putin;

- And finally, Patel was duped into saying "The Brits always play it dirty".
 
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Weaasel

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Russia is a resource rich state but has no manufacturing to utilize it. Corruption is their biggest and greatest enemy. It is why they are not a superpower. Their elites benefits from this corruption and then are lured to western capitals to hide their wealth and enjoy their lifestyle and women. You can say the soviet union fell because Gorbachev sold the decaying empire for some Mcburgers and some fries.

But that world is ending.

For over 30 years, the west has done a fantastic job in keeping Russia weak. They lure the corrupt elites to their lands, thereby tacitly encouraging their corruption and then on the other hand, sell the promises of globalization to them and they tell Russia to play the role of the commodity supplier. Russia supplies the resource and they get the goods and access to western superior tech and even societies for the few elites.
[China was the cheap goods manufacturer and India, the software experts]

Things will change now. A new order is happening and Russia must first gain some self respects and stop selling themselves to the west. Putin's biggest task should be ending the corruption.
Russia posseses the wherewithal in terms of know-how and finances to produce a vast plethora of mid-tech and even certain categories of mid-tech goods to meet the vast majority of its domestic demand for such goods. I am. It too familiar with Russia's semiconductor IC chip, and semiconductor manufacturing equipment capabilities, but I have read that Russia has indigenous capabilities of manufacturing lithographic equipment and chips down to the 60 or 90 nm node ranges.

The West employ a strategy of ensuring the dominance of a financial system that they control - with the United States having the most influence - and luring investors, companies, and states of other countries to access financial capital and assets within Western countries, as well as to attract their investment, often selling their foreign direct investment as the only route towards prosperity, so as to ensure a economic dependency that eventually leads to a political dependency through the threats of a cut-off from their financial system for whatever reason and for whatever pretexts to greatly influence or compel particular states to follow their policies.

The Russian oligarchs were/are drunk on access to finances and perks and other sirens of the West. But the Russian state has ensured that it does have significant leverage by making many European countries, and the most important one in particular, Germany, very dependent on it for arguably the most fundamental commodity necessary for any modern industrialized economy from the late 19th century onwards: ENERGY.

But Russia will not be able to play the energy card for much longer, especially after this Ukrainian conflict. Aside from the fact that there is actually a slow transition away from a fossil fuel dominated economy within the industrialized and developed countries of the world, the West has realized that its options of punishing Russia for undertaking actions that it does not like or otherwise wouldn't tolerate are greatly limited because of their dependency of energy from Russia, and they will definitely accelerate transitioning away from Russia for energy supplies, be they in the use of fossil fuels and non-fossil fuels. Accordingly, Russia must also adjust itself so as to ensure that fossil fuel exports and fossil fuel production are a much lesser component of both its exports, but in particular of its economy, and it must pursue as comprehensive an import substitution policy as possible, targeting especially having all manner of categories of state of the art consumer and especially capital goods that it can produce for itself. Non-Western countries, especially outside of East Asia, will gladly purchase such goods themselves if they are competitively priced.
 

enroger

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Russia posseses the wherewithal in terms of know-how and finances to produce a vast plethora of mid-tech and even certain categories of mid-tech goods to meet the vast majority of its domestic demand for such goods. I am. It too familiar with Russia's semiconductor IC chip, and semiconductor manufacturing equipment capabilities, but I have read that Russia has indigenous capabilities of manufacturing lithographic equipment and chips down to the 60 or 90 nm node ranges.

The West employ a strategy of ensuring the dominance of a financial system that they control - with the United States having the most influence - and luring investors, companies, and states of other countries to access financial capital and assets within Western countries, as well as to attract their investment, often selling their foreign direct investment as the only route towards prosperity, so as to ensure a economic dependency that eventually leads to a political dependency through the threats of a cut-off from their financial system for whatever reason and for whatever pretexts to greatly influence or compel particular states to follow their policies.

The Russian oligarchs were/are drunk on access to finances and perks and other sirens of the West. But the Russian state has ensured that it does have significant leverage by making many European countries, and the most important one in particular, Germany, very dependent on it for arguably the most fundamental commodity necessary for any modern industrialized economy from the late 19th century onwards: ENERGY.

But Russia will not be able to play the energy card for much longer, especially after this Ukrainian conflict. Aside from the fact that there is actually a slow transition away from a fossil fuel dominated economy within the industrialized and developed countries of the world, the West has realized that its options of punishing Russia for undertaking actions that it does not like or otherwise wouldn't tolerate are greatly limited because of their dependency of energy from Russia, and they will definitely accelerate transitioning away from Russia for energy supplies, be they in the use of fossil fuels and non-fossil fuels. Accordingly, Russia must also adjust itself so as to ensure that fossil fuel exports and fossil fuel production are a much lesser component of both its exports, but in particular of its economy, and it must pursue as comprehensive an import substitution policy as possible, targeting especially having all manner of categories of state of the art consumer and especially capital goods that it can produce for itself. Non-Western countries, especially outside of East Asia, will gladly purchase such goods themselves if they are competitively priced.

This sanction war maybe a blessing in disguise for Russian economy. Not even talking about export, if Russian industry can provide enough basic industrial products to internal market would be a major win, nothing like good ole protectionism to do the job.

Even if it is against China's interest to say so, but Russia needs protectionism against Chinese goods as well if they want to re-industrialize. Otherwise China will just fill in the role of the west for Russia, and Russia still can't ween off its resource export economy. Which I believe China does not want to see, China wants a moderately successful Russia. If Russia can capitalize it's human potential and become a innovation driven economy it will make a great ally in the Chinese economic bloc.

Depending on Russia's action, I believe once this war is over we may see a lot of Chinese investment into Russian economy.
 
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