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Abominable

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Is it ? Can you tell me at what timeframe you see a missile ?
Around 55 seconds you see the impact, it's a relatively small explosion. A Tochka or any ballistic missile would absolutely wreck that ship if it managed to hit it.

We already know the UK has been trying to get anti ship missiles to Ukraine thanks to the defence minister telling the pranksters.
So my money is one of these:

It's small so can be brought into Ukraine quite easily, and can be fired land based. Could be any small anti ship missile that the UK holds in a warehouse somewhere.
 

Abominable

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If it was a guided missile strike, I would have thought that the Ukrainians would have produced footage of the attack and impact, either from a targeting drone or from a direct feed from the missile.
Unless they were claiming it was a lucky shot from a ballistic missile fired from hundreds of miles away. And you didn't want to embarrass your friend that just provided you with missiles that the Russians wouldn't be too happy to know.
Which begs the question, fired from where?
From the shore, on the other side of the dock in the video I assume.

There is no such footage (at time of writing) and there is no footage of an initial explosion. All footage seems to be ground based and responding to a fire on board the ship that was already alight. Explosions followed later.
Watch the video again. You can see what looks like an side impact, and then the bigger fire when it spreads. If it was purely because of munitions exploding, why such a big explosion outside the ship? Not impossible, but a missile strike is the far simpler explanation.

Anyway the people on the ship will know if something hit them.
Well we saw all too clearly what happens when a missile hits a large amount of ammunition, just a few days ago in Kiev, as this looks nothing like. To me, this looks more like a fire caused by mishandling or poorly stored munitions.
You're comparing a 500kg warhead to one that's less than 50kg. Also a ship has armour. The missile hit the ship which caused a fire, which then spread to munitions. The Russians are lucky not to lose the ship completely. I bet they lost quite a few men.

Unless you think Ben Wallace was lying when he thought he was talking to the Ukrainian PM. He said that the UK would be providing something to Ukraine to use against Russian ships in the Black Sea. 1-2 weeks later a Russian ship close to the shore gets hit.
 
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lapain

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One thing is proven

Russian cannot take towns and cities

even the ones they take they can’t hold

Mariupol is cut off and Russia still can’t take the city

odessa and Kiev are much larger

And how realistically are you supposed to take towns from the largest and most population nation in Europe with about 120,000 personnel??

This wasn't the plan obviously. Only Mariupol, Slaviansk and maybe Kharkiv are actual targets. The rest is either progress or diversion.
 

plawolf

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Around 55 seconds you see the impact, it's a relatively small explosion. A Tochka or any ballistic missile would absolutely wreck that ship if it managed to hit it.

We already know the UK has been trying to get anti ship missiles to Ukraine thanks to the defence minister telling the pranksters.
So my money is one of these:

It's small so can be brought into Ukraine quite easily, and can be fired land based. Could be any small anti ship missile that the UK holds in a warehouse somewhere.
You might want to look closely at 25s mark. That’s when the first explosion happened and it’s small one.

Looks more like progressive cook off from a fire than anything more dramatic like a missile hit to me.
 

Abominable

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You might want to look closely at 25s mark. That’s when the first explosion happened and it’s small one.

Looks more like progressive cook off from a fire than anything more dramatic like a missile hit to me.
You're right. The first one doesn't look smaller but lower down and more obscured by the pier. Maybe two missiles hit?
 
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