Ukrainian War Developments

The whole thing is a giant racket. The Ukrainian economy was basically a corpse kept alive with cash infusions.
Not just the EU but also the IMF. You also have the huge gas transit fees they get from Russia. Which are yet another indirect subsidy they get from the EU. Where the EU pays Russia which paid them.

pmc said:

i am not sure why you think it is real. Ukrainian cannot show single Tochka or air sortie run against formations. they cannot even show two TB-2 flying in same battle space. very limited ability. there are few ambushes here and there on vehicles thats about it. and ambush on vehicles does not mean soldiers were inside it. Syrian rebels have done more damage . here the width of battlefield will be 3000 to 4000km when you include Black Sea blockade and Belarus. fighters and Choppers are coming all directions from numerous bases. its not easy to maintain reliability of crew and systems when things are so dispersed. It is the most Grand way of fighting war since 1945.

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How does this correlate about the viability and the authenticity of that hacked news being real or a mere editing?

FriedButter said:

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I have not committed any war crimes. Please stop tightening the rope. - Ukrainian Idiot.

TV host isn’t likely to face anything but the doctor is a much more complicated situation lmao.

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Some one should serious castrate him for even saying such an evil thing. One of these days, his words are going to cause something like that to every right winged Nazi on the face of this earth… which is something I am really confused as to whether celebrate or condemn this kind of act but if these kind of people keep popping up, well I don’t know

Koala said:

Start reading at the section "Ukraine". There you find the MAIN reason why Ukraine never developed unlike other countries.

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From 2014 to 2019 Germany alone gave 1,4 Billion Euro to Ukraine. Since 2014 the EU spent 17 Billion with credits and subsidies.

The EU agreed to give another 1,2 Billion on February 16th 2022.

What happened to that money - rhetorical question? The governments and leaders of Ukraine protect their assets in this war. They do give a shit on their people. Once again disgusting.

Regards
Koala

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all that money and they can't get Hrim/Grom and batteries of Neptun operational. I wonder...

Stealthflanker said:

all that money and they can't get Hrim/Grom and batteries of Neptun operational. I wonder...

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I used to like their oplot alot. Even Pakistan and Thailand placed order. Yet they can't deliver.

Now that the complete picture on that attack on the shopping mall as emerged let's put all the sources together in one place:
Explosion from the attack, you can tell people on that thread can already tell from the size of it that it can't be just an Iskander that did this.

Aftermath of the attack:
Further reinforcing the above point. The scale of the devastation is not compatible with a single missile


2S7 self propelled artillery casing discovered at the scene


Photo taken by locals, showing what's suspected to be military vehicle hiding under the building

SBU arresting someone because he's suspected of leaking about the military equipment at the shopping mall via Tiktok

And finally the Russian MOD shows their drone footage, showing the drone following a BM-21 Grad from launching towards Russian position to driving back to the shopping mall to reload. Complete with the drone capturing the strike from upon high:

What we know:

• the Russians are now using their UAVs in clever ways finally, at least around Kiev
• Ukrainian air defence around Kiev might as well not exist
• Ukrainians are indeed using civilian infrastructure to hide their military, they were caught red handed this time

OppositeDay said:

GDP didn't tell the whole story. Ukraine inherited a lot of infrastructures built during the USSR years, so the quality of life was probably quite a bit higher than countries with similar GDP per capita but lower infrastructure stock.

The Russian invasion obviously changed that.

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they wanted decommunization. they're getting it. just not the way they expected.

gelgoog said:

The whole thing is a giant racket. The Ukrainian economy was basically a corpse kept alive with cash infusions.
Not just the EU but also the IMF. You also have the huge gas transit fees they get from Russia. Which are yet another indirect subsidy they get from the EU. Where the EU pays Russia which paid them.

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Ukrainian economy pretty much gave up the minute Soviets collapsed. Their most competitive market was Russia and China, which they threw in the garbage one after the other with the Motor Sich deal and the gas transit fee disputes. The EU wasn't gonna buy their gas turbines and engines when they had RR and Siemens.