Ukrainian War Developments

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victoon

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refugees from Ukraine should be screened for fascist ties. Azob directly aided and abetted Hong Kong rioters in the past; how do we know there won't be saboteurs and provacateurs disguised as refugees?
They won't be refugees, they'd be immigrants who are biologically related to expats.

I doubt any family members of expats would be fascists or fascists would dare to go to China. But if they do, I have a feeling PAP is not for show.
 

Rettam Stacf

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According to an article citing the Ukrainian Embassy in China, there are 50K to 100K Ukrainian citizens living in China as of 2022 before the war. That is a large number for China. Source:

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No idea how many more after the war.
Not surprised by the number. Soon after Ukraine became independent and many of the former Soviet state run industries started to fail. Many engineers, particularly those in the aerospace and military related fields, went to work in China. They made significant contributions during the nascent stage of China's military industrial development. And with the economic development in China, the high salary attracted the next generation of engineers from Ukraine who heard about the opportunities from their predecessors.
 

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They won't be refugees, they'd be immigrants who are biologically related to expats.

I doubt any family members of expats would be fascists or fascists would dare to go to China. But if they do, I have a feeling PAP is not for show.
Lol, of course they would not come to china. They would go to Poland where they can keep resisting the Russians.

Welcoming some Ukrainian refugees is actually a good idea for Chinese government to appear neutral

Keep in mind that back in 90s and 2000s, china got a lot of help from Ukraine in military projects.
 

Jingle Bells

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this is not paranoia, they've actually done it before in Hong Kong.
Mainland is VERY VERY different from Hong Kong. Mainland is a post Cold War simple clean nouveau riche wonderland façade over a Cold-War Armageddon Total-People's-War (热核时代的人民战争) militaristic society. You guys have no idea what China was like even before late 1990s, especially what the rural communities.

It was people's war, in a manner even more militaristic than Imperial Japan, and much more deadly than NRA. It used to be that in体和coastal regions, village level “production team” (生产大队)are structured as militia units and their own rifles and bombs. They used to have armed conflict (武装械斗) with each other all the time. “Production team” (生产大队)was even able to make their artilleries and engage in armed conflicts with neighboring "Production team".

If you read Chinese, go and google "武装械斗", and read up all the stories you can find.

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talks about a 2003 such conflict in Guangxi where both side actually pull out home-made forged cannons. And the government mobilized as much as a whole regiment of PAP, in order to put down the conflict.

Hong Kong is pretty much a western style free society compare to Mainland, down to the inter-person level.
 

Jingle Bells

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refugees from Ukraine should be screened for fascist ties. Azob directly aided and abetted Hong Kong rioters in the past; how do we know there won't be saboteurs and provacateurs disguised as refugees?
China is not a free open western style society like Hong Kong where foreign people of all color and background can just come and go. China mainland is a Cold-War monstrosity. It's just that the Chinese government and people don't want you to see that.

This is why when a pandemic happens, China can be quickly organized and mobilized to the community level. We have 居委会 in China, down to each residential complex. Do you have such in Hong Kong? NO. The "居委会" don't really cross people's life much when things are normal, but when an national state of emergency happens, people are quickly organized and kept in order by these grass root level Communist Party structures/nodes. This is why a lock down is even possible in China.

I know this because I lived in Shenzhen when I was a kid and my dad worked in HK for quite a few years.

You talk about Azov people messing up HK. Well, to be honest, HK is rather easy to mess up by foreigners. Mainland China is not. You guys are perhaps familiar with Slavic people having these groups fights in winters like some kind of sport. Well, “械斗” is pretty the Chinese analogy. Even for my generation (born late 80s to early 90s), we have organized group fights with regular middle/high students against "sporting school"(体校) students.

It is pretty much until the generation of young people born after 2000s, did the society actually become a lot less used and addicted to violence.
 
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