Ukrainian War Developments

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foxmulder

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This whole thing proved me one thing: No politician in the West think about their people, they just want to catch that donation $$ from MIC so that they can pump political ads for the next "free" election. What is being done to Russia and Russians under the sanctions is crazy. This is not gonna end well for anyone. West lost its mind. I saw a recent poll, saying **74%** of US public want NATO to set a no fly zone over Ukraine. Can you believe this? 74% of the public can blindly can go to nuclear war like that. This is democracy?! :) lol. Keep feeding masses with lies and they become even ok with nuclear war. MADDESS.
 

gelgoog

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The fact that Poland suffered much worse than the USSR from Nazi occupation, having lost 22% of their population instead of just 10%, and yet at the end of the war lost 1/3 of their pre-war territory to the USSR may have something to do with their hatred for the USSR above even Russia.
Yet the Poles are fine supporting a Nazi regime in Ukraine. And any territory the Poles lost to the USSR was more than compensated with territory the USSR gave to Poland that used to belong to Germany. They lost some piece of dirt in Western Ukraine and got Danzig and a huge chunk of Germany in return. Some loss there.
 

Darkon112

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I think the insurgents in Ukraine had losses of like 1:10 versus the Soviets back then. Scott Ritter mentioned that. And that is if you do not count civilian losses in Ukraine. Yeah an insurgency should work really well. Not.

Don't know about the numbers. But I read that Soviets used a former Recce troops and former female partisans to infiltrate, apprehend and destroyed banderits and their supporters post war. Apparently one of the females ended up being a trainer for specially forces until up to the early 80's. The only female in such role in the soviet forces.
Holy crap. Well it makes sense to test everything I guess. Even this museum piece. I am surprised they have not tried more tanks with APS. At least in the urban conflicts in places like Mariupol. Perhaps they are trying to avoid infantry losses to APS when their own troops operate close with the tanks?

Said tank was already in service prior and the guts of APS where long taken out and rest of mounted equipment left on a tank.


Yet the Poles are fine supporting a Nazi regime in Ukraine. And any territory the Poles lost to the USSR was more than compensated with territory the USSR gave to Poland that used to belong to Germany. They lost some piece of dirt in Western Ukraine and got Danzig and a huge chunk of Germany in return. Some loss there.

Man, it's not like the first time Poland supports Nazi's. They jointly invaded Czechoslovakia after all.
 

Richard Santos

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Yet the Poles are fine supporting a Nazi regime in Ukraine. And any territory the Poles lost to the USSR was more than compensated with territory the USSR gave to Poland that used to belong to Germany. They lost some piece of dirt in Western Ukraine and got Danzig and a huge chunk of Germany in return. Some loss there.

1st it all, the regime in ukraine is not a nazi regime. it relies on ultra-right elements abs Nazi elements in the society for some of its policies but that is not the same as the regime being nazi.

2 Ukraine is a total basket case before the war. Even a uktra-nationalist regime in a basket case country is much less threat than a potentially revanchist former empire who has its act together to a much higher degree.

regarding poland being given german land in return for polish land taken by the USSR, I am sure china would be very happy if America kept all of the chinese territory japan occupied during WWII but gave china in compensation a piece around Sakhalin and Lake Baikhal instead.

in a very roundabout way, that is what America did in equivalent effect, but on a much, much smaller scale, with taiwan, and the chinese seem epileptic about it.
 
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FriedButter

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. West lost its mind. I saw a recent poll, saying **74%** of US public want NATO to set a no fly zone over Ukraine. Can you believe this? 74% of the public can blindly can go to nuclear war like that. This is democracy?! :) lol. Keep feeding masses with lies and they become even ok with nuclear war. MADDESS.
Did they ask if it includes the risk of war or just the no fly excluding the word war. However, still a lot that want it regardless of consequence.


 

RottenPanzer

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Richard Santos

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Belarus are about to join this war. They've evacuated their remaining 11 embassy staff from Ukraine.
the idiocy of sanctioning belarus first so it has nothing to lose from joining the fight.


Similarly by shooting their wad with sanctions on Russia, the west now look totally impotent as Russia is free to escalate with no prospect of any incremental sanction cost.
 

gelgoog

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I will just comment a bit on this article someone posted here.

"A Uniqlo store in Moscow this month. Sanctions have hit consumers who are used to getting imported products."
Oh dear. A Japanese clothes store which outsources production to places like China, Bangladesh, or Indonesia, won't sell to the Russian market anymore. Perhaps some business person needs to cut the middle man.

"Both figures were the highest recorded since the survey by Russia’s Gaidar Institute for Economic Policy began in 2015."
Gaidar. Right. Do you know who Gaidar was? He was the guy who told the Russian civilian aircraft industry that Russia did not need their products and could just import aircraft instead. Gaidar was one of the main people responsible for "shock therapy" economic policies in Russia in the 1990s during Yeltsin when Russia's average life expectancy dropped by over 10 years.

"Parts of Russia’s auto industry are shutting down for lack of foreign parts. The country’s flagship homemade passenger jet gets its engine and other key parts from overseas suppliers. Foreign pet food and medication have disappeared from store shelves."
Yes the foreign owned auto industry operating in Russia largely relied on import of foreign parts. The Chinese factories in Russia are continuing to operate however. And as those European, South Korean, auto companies leave the Chinese will take their place. And the Europeans, South Koreans will never get back. And guess what. Steel price up 3x. Russia is #3 world steel exporter with almost same exports as Japan. Aluminium price also up. And Steel and Aluminium production is energy intensive and needs either coal or electricity. You already had glass factories closing in Germany before the war started because of high energy prices.

As for foreign pet food. Yeah it is a disaster. For foreign pet food makers I guess. When I was a kid we gave food scraps to pets.
As for medications all the medicine producers and medical equipment providers said they would not leave the Russian market. If the medicine producers left the market most of the active ingredients are manufactured in China and India anyway. And Russia does have a medical equipment industry. It is tiny but all they need is room in the market to expand. A lot of the technology is similar to the technology used to make security devices like airport x-ray scanners and Russia makes those internally.

"A planned version of the plane made almost entirely of domestic parts won’t enter mass production until 2024, officials have said."
Yeah it is a disaster. Russia won't be able to mass purchase new airplanes for like two years and Europe and the US will lose one of the few aviation markets not affected by COVID-19. At the same time aluminium, titanium, and aviation fuel price goes up. Also they will lose access to Russian airspace. Want to travel from Europe to Japan or China? Want to travel from the US to India? Look at a map and see which route you would take.

"French aerospace firm Safran SA —which produces the jet’s engines, landing gear and engine covers—said it would stop all activities in Russia because of Western sanctions."
Safran makes half the engine. And Russia has the PD-8 engine in the test stand right now which replaces that with Russian components.
Just like Russian officials said it might impact production for 2 or maybe 3 years. And yes. I am pretty sure Russia can't manufacture an engine cover.
 
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