Ukrainian War Developments

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That remains to be seen though.
EU has been lacking leadership for a very long time without a center to gather around.
With Brexit and the Germans seemingly shocked into accepting that leadership (and the rest letting them) by the invasion things might change to a much stronger Franco-Germanic world view long term. If the Germans are up to it that is. No doubt the French would be delighted to "assist" such a move.

China can continue the pretense of EU relevance.
It is up to EU to prove otherwise as they have proven time and again to be unreliable and waste of time and resource..

The pudding still is working with individual countries to find mutual benefit.
 

Overbom

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China can continue the pretense of EU relevance.
It is up to EU to prove otherwise as they have proven time and again to be unreliable and waste of time and resource..

The pudding still is working with individual countries to find mutual benefit.
From my understanding, recently China has (about time..) stopped engaging with EU institutions (captured by the US already) and is now focusing on diplomacy with member states.

This, treat EU as a bloc, was a failed strategy. Back to basics
 

Anlsvrthng

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These were the big failures by Russia. They didn't strike hard enough in the first time and they gave time for the Ukrainian army to get organised without significant casualties.
Most likelly they won't make it again.

After finishing Ukriane, the next step would be just a strike against the NATO, before EU could prepare ?

The lesson from this case pointing to that direction .

Peacefully getting an agreement impossible with Ukraine, the leadership willing to sacrifice the population and the country, and deeply trenched nationalistid extreme elements in the goverment.

If Russia waiting the same could happens in Eastern Europe, and the next step of war could be more difficult, not less.
 

LesAdieux

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? That is not a flaw in my argument, because nowhere did I say China will be able to access such vital systems or equipment from the west or the US.

What I said is that having longer periods of trade and economic stability with the west will give China more time.

China will use the time to develop their own technologies and core subsystems and industries such as semiconductors and semiconductor equipment.




That of course will be a long term aspiration, but the lifting of sanctions on Russia isn't happening any time soon.

when you are in a war, you must do some basic counting: count your strength and casualties, count your adversaries strength and casualties. ratio of strength, trade off in casualties. you must not play a game that only you have casualties. even NK and Iran know when facing sanctions you must raise your game.

by the way, the situation is not too bad. the debacle in the middle East shows ultimately hard power is the real power. America has lost its grab so quick. the hegemon cannot show it's risk adverse.
 

gelgoog

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These were the big failures by Russia. They didn't strike hard enough in the first time and they gave time for the Ukrainian army to get organised without significant casualties.
Perhaps the Russians could have struck harder the Ukrainian army formations in the east close to Donbass in the opening stages. But given that the Ukrainian forces in the rest of the country hadn't rallied yet when the invasion started there would be little to strike in those places in the first place.

And for those who say Putin could have invaded Ukraine in 2014. Russia's economy was way too weak to withstand these kinds of sanctions back then. Russia was still a net importer of food back then and SPFS and Mir did not exist. They were 100% dependent on SWIFT, Mastercard, and Visa.
 

ArmchairAnalyst

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From my understanding, recently China has (about time..) stopped engaging with EU institutions (captured by the US already) and is now focusing on diplomacy with member states.

This, treat EU as a bloc, was a failed strategy. Back to basics
lol
U.S. under Trump failed miserably to engage with the EU.
Heck, even individual EU countries often fail.
It's just the nature of the thing and there really is no easy way around it even with a back to basics strategy.
 

Overbom

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After finishing Ukriane, the next step would be just a strike against the NATO, before EU could prepare ?
Should go for Lithuania. We can make an exception and place a special $20 billion bounty on Lithuania to get destroyed. We will also reimburse all Russian' loses taken during such an operation.

The fundamental question is:
Does any new Taiwan-independence supporting country deserve to be given the protection of "territorial integrity"? Even more, should such a country be even allowed to exist?
Should be a handy lesson for other Taiwan-supporting delusional countries

In any case, all these sanctions mean that Russia has less incentives to play according to the (western) rules of the game. A strike against a NATO country isn't unthinkable anymore
 

Abominable

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Perhaps the Russians could have struck harder the Ukrainian army formations in the east close to Donbass in the opening stages. But given that the Ukrainian forces in the rest of the country hadn't rallied yet when the invasion started there would be little to strike in those places in the first place.

And for those who say Putin could have invaded Ukraine in 2014. Russia's economy was way too weak to withstand these kinds of sanctions back then. Russia was still a net importer of food back then and SPFS and Mir did not exist. They were 100% dependent on SWIFT, Mastercard, and Visa.
Not to mention COVID weakening America significantly. It would have been a lot riskier to pull this off 8 years ago.
 
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