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Ukrainian War Developments
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China needs to stand neutral and not go along with these western sanctions against Russia.
And 'for China to be next' means it will be more easier for western countries to impose more economical, technological and political restraints on China in the future; something USA and EU countries are already trying doing today.
Western worshippers can't fool us. EU's head diplomat said this (same guy who was begging for China to help just some days ago lol)
williamhou
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Well, if you have the correct information on Russian advances in Ukraine this week, may as well let us know and provide the source of information. I have not seen any major change of territory tho, came to this thread in the hope of finding some latest information on the ground but instead seeing people arguing about loads of off topic stuffs.
Though I haven't read what you said but I don't think Josep Borrell would beg. He merely trying to shift some focus and put the ball into China's court and push China to take some actions.
With that said, a quicker and peaceful diplomatic resolution on the current Ukraine crisis will benefit everyone. If China can, it should contribute diplomatically to achieve such resolution as long as it doesn't compromise whatever relationship it have with Russia.
Did you really go through the thread? Russia took Volnovakha, Polohy, Vuhledar, Rubizhne and Izyum in the past few days. These are all strategic cities and villages that could determine the complete encirclement of Ukrainian East Front after the fall of Mariupol.
Alright, it's too hard to reply to everyone that replies to me. So, let's just go through some basic points.
1) China is next, West will go after China.
Guess what, Trump and the China hawks in America tried their hardest to beat China for 4 years. Has that worked? At worst, you get a couple of small sanctions on China and complain that China is violating human rights or copying their products. Is that going to be really a problem for China? China is not that weak. It doesn't need Russia to stand up to the west. It needs to have its own supply chain so that it can have power over the west.
2) Russia will remember China helping them
Remember how quickly Northern Vietnam forgot China helping them? If you listen to Shilao's podcast, vietnam communists wants China to take over some of Xisha islands. As soon as they took over all of Vietnam and got Russians on their side, they turned their back on all of that. Do you really want to bet that Russia will always be under Putin's control and remember China standing by them?
3) So that Russia emerges this as a big threat to the West
That actually is a legitimate reason to dive in completely to help Russia. However, Russia is having trouble right now to even beat a rag tag bunch of Ukrainians. As Western weapons keep flooding in, Russia will just sink into a bigger quagmire. We've got another Afghanistan on hand.
The best thing for China is if Russia can negotiate a quick ceasefire where they retain Donbas and Crimea and Ukraine is demilitarized. Then, the west will be forced to ante up money to rebuild Ukraine. Otherwise, I don't see how all the Ukrainian refugees can go home. Russia will continue to be heavily sanctioned and motivated to work with China to build a competing finance/trade system that other countries can use. And as long as Russia hates the West, NATO cannot solely focus on China.
None of this requires China to provide military assistance to Russia during this conflict. China can help Russia by just keep trading with Russia and doing all the other things it has been doing.
1) China is next, West will go after China.
Guess what, Trump and the China hawks in America tried their hardest to beat China for 4 years. Has that worked? At worst, you get a couple of small sanctions on China and complain that China is violating human rights or copying their products. Is that going to be really a problem for China? China is not that weak. It doesn't need Russia to stand up to the west. It needs to have its own supply chain so that it can have power over the west.
2) Russia will remember China helping them
Remember how quickly Northern Vietnam forgot China helping them? If you listen to Shilao's podcast, vietnam communists wants China to take over some of Xisha islands. As soon as they took over all of Vietnam and got Russians on their side, they turned their back on all of that. Do you really want to bet that Russia will always be under Putin's control and remember China standing by them?
3) So that Russia emerges this as a big threat to the West
That actually is a legitimate reason to dive in completely to help Russia. However, Russia is having trouble right now to even beat a rag tag bunch of Ukrainians. As Western weapons keep flooding in, Russia will just sink into a bigger quagmire. We've got another Afghanistan on hand.
The best thing for China is if Russia can negotiate a quick ceasefire where they retain Donbas and Crimea and Ukraine is demilitarized. Then, the west will be forced to ante up money to rebuild Ukraine. Otherwise, I don't see how all the Ukrainian refugees can go home. Russia will continue to be heavily sanctioned and motivated to work with China to build a competing finance/trade system that other countries can use. And as long as Russia hates the West, NATO cannot solely focus on China.
None of this requires China to provide military assistance to Russia during this conflict. China can help Russia by just keep trading with Russia and doing all the other things it has been doing.
It is a White men war. Why should yellow people interfere? You guys started two world wars already. From the look of it, you guys are looking for the third world war.
Black Shark
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Surrounding Russia with NATO and US bases, built AEGIS ABM shields right infront of Russia to topple the M.A.D, which is the only garantee that no strategic nuclear weapons will be used, create a fascist Ukrainian state controlled by jewish oligarchs and build US biolabs in Ukraine, start killing Russians in Ukraine and Russia is the bully when it decides enough is enough?
Your brain was fried by western controlled Media.
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