Ukrainian War Developments

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Suetham

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Whatever the case, if a vehicle has not been lost to combat, then it could only have been lost to logistics. Either it has no fuel, or it broke down and there are no recovery vehicles nearby, which is also part of logistics. The fact remains that abandoned Russian vehicles, including fuel trucks and supply convoys, are photographed every day by Ukranian civilians behind Russian lines. This is indicative of a significant level of attrition, i.e. more than just a few vehicles getting stuck or running out of fuel.
There were several abandoned vehicles with fuel, as well as they were still in working condition, how do you explain this?

Another thing, there is a difference between a combat and support vehicle having been abandoned due to being attacked and having been neutralized, making it impossible to use, and quite another is abandoning due to lack of fuel. Yes, there were videos that the vehicles were in working condition but out of fuel, but most vehicles we didn't have that confirmation. You clearly didn't make that distinction. This is far from a logistical failure.
 

Suetham

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That's because one of those photos captured only the initial phase of the attack.

Here's the aftermath of the damage on the main parking area:
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Add to that the 5 choppers from the other part of the airbase and you get a total of 15 destroyed.
Just a question, does the image consider the number of helicopters destroyed by the photo of the impact or by intuition that there were helicopters in the same locations of the impact? Because in either case, there is a 100% chance of being wrong.
 

Mirabo

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This is not true. Get the updated Ukraine map. Now research the distance traveled on all invasion routes, you will see that most except the north, all other invasion routes, the Russians did not even advance 150 km, which is the describable distance of the limitation that the Russians has to move forward, considering its logistical inferiority. On the other invasion routes, there was not even an advance greater than 80 km, which completely defeats the thesis of the lack of advance by the Russian Army due to logistical failure.

There hasn't been an advance greater than 80 km except in the north?

It's 300 km by road from the Crimean border to Mariupol, which the southern push reached 11 days ago on March 7th. They are way past that now. The ongoing push from Sumy to the eastern outskirts of Kiev is also 300 km.

What are you smoking?

There were several abandoned vehicles with fuel, as well as they were still in working condition, how do you explain this?

Another thing, there is a difference between a combat and support vehicle having been abandoned due to being attacked and having been neutralized, making it impossible to use, and quite another is abandoning due to lack of fuel. Yes, there were videos that the vehicles were in working condition but out of fuel, but most vehicles we didn't have that confirmation. You clearly didn't make that distinction. This is far from a logistical failure.

That's a good point. Vehicles that still have fuel but were damaged or broke down can still be considered 'disabled out of combat' and would normally be recovered by the supply/logistics column and transported back for repairs.

Oh wait, where's the supply column?

Vehicles that are lost not due to fuel but due to combat damage or mechanical breakdown are also the responsibility of logistics support units in the back. The only difference is if you have to fix the vehicle with a fuel truck or a tow truck.

The real mystery are the vehicles in working condition that have been abandoned despite still having fuel.
 

Atomicfrog

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Oleg Akhmedov, Colonel of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine was killed near Kiev. Earlier, he was convicted in absentia in Moscow on charges under the article “a terrorist attack committed by a group of persons by prior conspiracy.”

In 2019, the FSB of Russia detained 2 suspects in Crimea on charges of spying for the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine - a citizen of Ukraine and a Russian soldier, who, according to the investigation, in 2017-2018 handed over to the Ukrainian military intelligence a state secret entrusted to her in service. The security officers while investigating another case, found out from one of the detainees that their actions were carried out on the instruction of Colonel Oleg Akhmedov - he equipped caches with explosives and ammo in Crimea. Akhmedov was the recruiter and curator of the detained Russians and Ukrainians. They planned sabotage and terrorist attacks on social and military infrastructure.

The photo of the dead colonel was posted at below Telegram link, complete with ID.

ASB Military News - 17 March 2022
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Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry 20220317

▫️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, continuing the successful offensive, took control of Novomayorskoye and Prechistovka. The advance was 10 kilometers.

In total, over the past day, aviation and air defence of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down 1 Ukrainian helicopter Mi-24 near Belki settlement, as well as 5 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles, including 1 Bayraktar TB-2.

✈️Operational-tactical and army aviation hit 29 military assets of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Among them: 1 multiple launch rocket system, 3 command posts, including 1 mobile field command post of the brigade, 6 ammunition depots and 14 areas of military equipment concentration.

In total, 182 aircraft and helicopters, 177 unmanned aerial vehicles, 1,393 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 134 multiple launch rocket systems, 523 field artillery and mortars, as well as 1,182 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

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That's a lot... they are making competition with western media at this rate.
 

Zichan

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There were several abandoned vehicles with fuel, as well as they were still in working condition, how do you explain this?

Another thing, there is a difference between a combat and support vehicle having been abandoned due to being attacked and having been neutralized, making it impossible to use, and quite another is abandoning due to lack of fuel. Yes, there were videos that the vehicles were in working condition but out of fuel, but most vehicles we didn't have that confirmation. You clearly didn't make that distinction. This is far from a logistical failure.
There were quite a few photos of Russian wheeled vehicles with busted or flat tires abandoned in off-road terrain.

Here you can see the rear tire of a Russian Pantsir completely torn apart after an attempt to tow it. I think it was Trent Telenko that conjectured this to be a consequence of very poor vehicle maintenance or lack of exercise leading to tire rot.
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tokenanalyst

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Beijing was combative in the Rome talks, people briefed on the interactions say. One U.S.-based person briefed on the meeting described Chinese officials' response as "tough" and "offensive." Another said simply that the talks did not go well.
Yes, because if someone threatens to beat you up for minding your own business, you will respond with flowers and poems.
 

WickedhichofWest

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As an American we haven’t fought a peer competitor since the Korean War. During Vietnam it was a counter insurgency where they could get air support in major battles. Those of the Vietnam generation(boomers) are now the top brass. Generation X first taste of war was the Gulf war. They then fought in Afghanistan and Iraq again. Millennials first taste of war was Iraq and Afghanistan. Gen Z was in Afghanistan the later years. So you have FOUR generations of combat vets who only knew fighting insurgents with air support when things get tough.

This explains why the smart thinkers in the Pentagon didn’t want a fight with Iran since the Bush years. There is some radicals that want war with Iran but the majority don’t want it. War with Iran would expose the US military something serious. Iran may not have the same conventional strength but their asymmetrical war strategy would lead to a fiasco probably worse than what Russia is facing in Ukraine.
That's an interesting view, the terrain could also be a handicap for USA army.
 
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