Ukrainian War Developments

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FriedButter

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It's definitely new.

Someone here a few months ago in the context of a Taiwan invasion said it's near impossible to disable airfields with bombardment alone. Looks like they were right.

If you crater the runway damage can be repaired quickly. Even with auxiliary buildings and infrastructure destroyed people will probably find a way to fly some sorties.

Will have to disagree. The reason being is did Russia intend to disable the airfield or to destroy the assets on the airport. Airports can be disabled to a degree but it needs continuous bombardments and monitoring. The Russians never launched a follow up.

An example is the “Battle of Dien Bien Phu.” The French runway wasn’t destroyed but it was unusable. The Viet Minh had that runaway under artillery range from the mountains which mean they wouldn’t land any aircraft and resorted to airdrops. Like blitzo said. Follow up attacks are necessary. Probably constant drone monitoring as well.
 

Atomicfrog

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There were quite a few photos of Russian wheeled vehicles with busted or flat tires abandoned in off-road terrain.

Here you can see the rear tire of a Russian Pantsir completely torn apart after an attempt to tow it. I think it was Trent Telenko that conjectured this to be a consequence of very poor vehicle maintenance or lack of exercise leading to tire rot.
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Lots of abandoned vehicules look like in good conditions. Even Ukrainian ones. Busting tire could be used also to prevent easy recuperation by the enemy side. You cannot stay stopped in the middle of a battle with lacks of fuel and ammo anyway... way better to get the hell out of there and maybe busting an easy replaceable component preventing direct use.
 

Abominable

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The source is my ass.

We see a lot of abandoned Russian equipment for unknown reasons. Could be because of fuel, or mechanical failure, or maybe the crew went to take a shit and got lost. Nobody has a good source for you at this stage in the war. Wait for historians to do the work later on.

I'm not comparing Russian losses to Ukranian losses. There is no reasonable way to estimate Ukranian losses because Russian troops don't have smartphones, and Ukranian civilians are less likely to photograph their own abandoned or damaged equipment, and the uncertainty is compounded by loudmouths who make shit up and call it "OSINT".

Whatever the case, if a vehicle has not been lost to combat, then it could only have been lost to logistics. Either it has no fuel, or it broke down and there are no recovery vehicles nearby, which is also part of logistics. The fact remains that abandoned Russian vehicles, including fuel trucks and supply convoys, are photographed every day by Ukranian civilians behind Russian lines. This is indicative of a significant level of attrition, i.e. more than just a few vehicles getting stuck or running out of fuel.

For comparison, see the American ground operation in the Gulf War (
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Out of 23 Abrams lost, 9 were destroyed. The remaining 14 were lost to other reasons including deliberate damage after being disabled. (p. 24). Even if we generously assume that all 14 damaged tanks were disabled out of combat, that is still far fewer than the number of Russian tanks disabled out of combat.

From the start of the ground war on February 24 to a week later on March 1, the percentage of combat-ready M1s only dropped from 93% to 91%. The percentage of combat-ready M1A1s actually increased from 93% to 95%. (p. 22).

Part of the reason why there were so few tanks lost to attrition despite the infamous gas consumption of the turbine engine is because Americans placed a huge emphasis on logistical support, with tanks getting refueled every 3 to 5 hours. (p. 25).

In fact, logistics supply in Desert Storm was actually too slow to keep up with the armor, but the Americans made the wise decision to slow down the offensive according to the pace of supply columns. Generally, tanks and IFVs did not push ahead or leave their fuel trucks behind. (p. 2).

The Russians did not appear to do any of this. They YOLO'd in with BTGs, tried to push 50 km a day, and now they are scrambling to straighten things out. But it's already week 3, whereas a good commander could have sorted this out in week 1.
In Iraq most infantry formations collapsed. Commanders were bribed or deserted, regular infantry abandoned their tanks and fled. Those that didn't mostly surrendered on first contact, or were annihilated. From that point on it was was largely a walk in the park compared to this. NATO could have rushed in quicker but didn't.

That hasn't happened on the eastern front in Ukraine. The Ukrainian army is present and fighting, albeit against a massive firepower disadvantage.

From what I can see, the Russians have achieved all of their objectives. A large uncontested formation outside of Kiev that can cut off and besiege the city, the elimination of Ukrainian air force and air defences, and the mass of the Ukrainian army on the back foot.

There have been some speed bumps - the poor maintenance or quality of Russian tanks and vehicles, the failure to completely supress the air force and air defences at the start of the conflict. CAS could also be better, and I think it's the one thing China could help Russia with to speed things up.

As far as I can see this war is over, it's just a question of how much infrastructure is destroyed and many Ukrainian/Russian soldiers die. Deaths will already be worse for the Ukrainians by a factor of around 1.5 as things stand and as Ukrainians start running out of ammo, supplies and hardware it'll only get worse for them. If it gets to the point where they're reduced to fighting urban combat it'll be around 10:1.

NATO seems to be treating Ukraine like it did the Afghans during the Soviet war. They're arming them to fight an insurgency, not a conventional war.
 

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MSM was trying to paint a picture that Russia is cornered and China has abandoned Russia. The reality is nothing has changed. As both China and India are working a way to circumvent the sanctions and continue to trade with Russia.
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Beijing was combative in the Rome talks, people briefed on the interactions say. One U.S.-based person briefed on the meeting described Chinese officials' response as "tough" and "offensive." Another said simply that the talks did not go well.

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Sullivan had warned before the talks that China would "absolutely" face consequences if it helped Moscow evade sweeping sanctions over Ukraine.

China, which announced a "no limits" strategic partnership with Russia in February, may find it hard to change course and back down after a threat was made public, said Kevin Gallagher, who leads the Global Development Project at Boston University.
"This wasn't a good strategic move," he said. "Like the United States, China has a domestic constituency."
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Some serious incompetence going. Maybe Biden is now the loose canon since he and his party will most likely lose.
 

Suetham

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There hasn't been an advance greater than 80 km except in the north?

It's 300 km by road from the Crimean border to Mariupol, which the southern push reached 11 days ago on March 7th. They are way past that now. The ongoing push from Sumy to the eastern outskirts of Kiev is also 300 km.
The Russians have rail support from Crimea that can extend the logistics line, a few days ago the logistics rail line was pushed to Melitopol. His statement makes no sense.

As for Sumy, I've seen news about this advancement, so far I haven't seen any visual confirmation of it. Are you catching up on maps or visual evidence?
 

Weaasel

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That's a lot... they are making competition with western media at this rate.
Novomayorskoye and Prechistovka, it could be that Russia and the Donetsk Rebels are tightening their grip on Donetsk. The battle of Volnovakha was a major, very intense battle over a small cut/large town that the Ukrainians used as a major base of operations in Donetsk. Since the beginning of this week it was confirmed captured by the Donetsk Rebels (DPR) and Russian Forces. But the battle itself has gotten little coverage in the Western Media.
 

Suetham

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Lots of abandoned vehicules look like in good conditions. Even Ukrainian ones. Busting tire could be used also to prevent easy recuperation by the enemy side. You cannot stay stopped in the middle of a battle with lacks of fuel and ammo anyway... way better to get the hell out of there and maybe busting an easy replaceable component preventing direct use.
Or the work may have been done to purposely disable it in order not to reverse the Russian advance, even if the engineering and logistics team was following the Russian advance, the repair work could delay the Russian advance depending on terrain conditions, so that had an operational break, the logistics team would pick up the abandoned vehicle, repair it, and field it again. There are many questions that must be raised.
 

Abominable

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Will have to disagree. The reason being is did Russia intend to disable the airfield or to destroy the assets on the airport. Airports can be disabled to a degree but it needs continuous bombardments and monitoring. The Russians never launched a follow up.

An example is the “Battle of Dien Bien Phu.” The French runway wasn’t destroyed but it was unusable. The Viet Minh had that runaway under artillery range from the mountains which mean they wouldn’t land any aircraft and resorted to airdrops. Like blitzo said. Follow up attacks are necessary. Probably constant drone monitoring as well.
That's a situation when the airfield is in artillery range. How can that be achieved with standoff munition? Even if you bomb an airfield once a day, quick set concrete could make the airfield operational within an hour.

Even if you disable the runway, what's stopping them from towing the planes out to the highway and using that?

Unless you destroy all aircraft, there's still a possibility they can be used.
 

Atomicfrog

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That's a situation when the airfield is in artillery range. How can that be achieved with standoff munition? Even if you bomb an airfield once a day, quick set concrete could make the airfield operational within an hour.

Even if you disable the runway, what's stopping them from towing the planes out to the highway and using that?

Unless you destroy all aircraft, there's still a possibility they can be used.
The su-25 can liftoff from fields.. But Russian need better intelligence to find these planes and busting them. Lacks of enough loitering UAV with weapons most probably.
 

Weaasel

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Sullivan had warned before the talks that China would "absolutely" face consequences if it helped Moscow evade sweeping sanctions over Ukraine.

China, which announced a "no limits" strategic partnership with Russia in February, may find it hard to change course and back down after a threat was made public, said Kevin Gallagher, who leads the Global Development Project at Boston University.
"This wasn't a good strategic move," he said. "Like the United States, China has a domestic constituency."
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Some serious incompetence going. Maybe Biden is now the loose canon since he and his party will most likely lose.
It looks like India also welcomes a much more multipolar world order...
 
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