Ukrainian War Developments

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asif iqbal

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The success or not of Russia won't be judged on how many troop losses

what ?

you have no idea how war works

take Finland as example, it gave up 2 huge territory’s to Russia and yet they still hold their head high after 70 years because of the beating they gave the Soviet Union
 

williamhou

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From the intelligence we have seen so far, the Russians seem to be performing worse than everyone expected from a powerful Russia.

The progress has been slow, the difficulties they have faced, the bizarre tactics of sending small group of troops wandering around and got ambushed by Javelin/AT4, the inability to gain air superiority despite mass missile strikes on a large number of radar stations and losses due to Ukrainian drone strikes. They have gained some ground in the first two weeks (despite heavy equipment losses), but I am not sure they are still winning now, especially after taking account of the economic and political consequences.

I wonder how this will play out in the end, and how that would differ from their original goal? At the moment a peace treaty without too much territorial change looks likely.
 

Bill Blazo

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so winning with maximum losses is better than minimum losses ?
That's clearly not what he's saying or implying. He just means that Russia will fight that much harder until it gets some kind of successful resolution from a political standpoint. Wars are not always won or lost at the beginning. Otherwise Japan would've won WWII after Pearl Harbor and I'd be trying and failing to pronounce "konnichiwa."

Finland did very well in the Winter War and still lost 10% of its territory.
 

Abominable

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Lithuania probably sympathised a bit too much with a certain island, became entangled with China and bit off more than it could chew with some ongoing diplomatic tit for tat. Not the first time this has happened for a smaller European country and won't be the last.
I agree it won't be the last, but they can't keep provoking China forever. Being so close to Russia you don't want to be making any more enemies.
Wasn’t Buster Douglas a bum, or, at least, a nobody?
If a bum took 99 Mike Tyson punches, in one round, and was still standing, we, most certainly, would‘ve been impressed!
I don't remember the part of Douglas-Tyson when Buster started faking low blows begging the referee to set up a no fly zone...
 

FairAndUnbiased

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From the intelligence we have seen so far, the Russians seem to be performing worse than everyone expected from a powerful Russia.

The progress has been slow, the difficulties they have faced, the bizarre tactics of sending small group of troops wandering around and got ambushed by Javelin/AT4, the inability to gain air superiority despite mass missile strikes on a large number of radar stations and losses due to Ukrainian drone strikes. They have gained some ground in the first two weeks (despite heavy equipment losses), but I am not sure they are still winning now, especially after taking account of the economic and political consequences.

I wonder how this will play out in the end, and how that would differ from their original goal? At the moment a peace treaty without too much territorial change looks likely.
How has Russia not gained air superiority?

Has Ukraine scored a single confirmed air to air kill outside a video game?

Even Iraqis did in Desert Storm. There were multiple Vietnamese fighter aces.

Also read up on what recon in force is, and what deep battle doctrine is.

US did far worse vs Vietnam, a smaller country, so Russia is at least doing no worse than US at the peak of its power. If Twitter existed in 1973 you might expect PAVN to be marching to DC.

Just remember: numbers can be faked but a training base in the rear turning into a crater and Reddit Regiment being scared so shitless they ran all the way back to Poland doesn't lie.
 

pmc

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I wonder if some of the "-Stans" like Kazakhstan with 20% of population as ethnic Russians minorities are shitting themselves now. No wonder they relocated their capital from Almaty to the northern regions (Nur-Sultan) where ethnic Russian population is located to better enforce control of the region.
Russia prefer Anatolia and Turkish coast with its own money. If Turkey and Russia trade continue in its current Trajectory. All those trade surpluses will be invested in Turkish real estate and that will start impacting local Mayor elections. Erdogan dont mind Turkey population ballooned to 200m as long as money flows. when you add Middleastern buyers and Kurdish growth. time will come coastal Turkey will have different interests.

Turkey daily consumption of gas is now surpassing Germany. at this rate 131bcm will be total.
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Turkey imports 41 percent of the natural gas it consumes from Russia, and the country’s daily consumption is around 360 million cubic meters, Özcan told the commission members.
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