Ukrainian War Developments

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If they have learnt their lesson they will disperse the shipments in packages of 10 or even 5 drones.

There are too many ways to send these things to Ukraine without getting being destroyed by Russia

I doubt that the US will send them in a single convoy
It's risk of destruction of a large lot against risks of black market and capture of small lot. Not sure what's the best for the situation.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Narrator: They sat behind a button sending missiles at him.

In other news, I just passed 10K updoots on SDF. The war is making it rain updoots for everyone! You get an updoot, he gets an updoot, everyone gets an updoot!
"Genie of the lamp, I wish to be a great freedom fighter and bring democracy and justice to the world."

"Please reconsider young master, this is your last wish and your life here is very comfortable-"

"You heard my wish!"

"...As you wish sir."

He woke up to the sound of airstrikes with a turban on his head and AK in his hand.
 

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All these sanctions on the billionaires/oligarchs is a one in century opportunity for Russia to reform and advance towards the greater good of its people than a select few

I hope Putin is aware of this and takes appropriate steps to Make Russia Great Again (MRGA)
That is a good one. Mr.Putin and his crew, Mr.Lawrow and comrades, took massiv advantage of being in charge. Russia is the most corrupt state in "Europe". From the head downwards. The wolf cannot guard the sheep.
 

Lethe

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Time to ready the nukes again.


Most of these will end up being stuck in warehouses in the west of the country,

Russia should just crater all roads to Poland, then all of this would be a non issue.

At this point it seems unlikely that Russia will be in a position to directly interdict supplies across Ukraine's western border in the near future. Certainly the prospect is distant enough that western provisions of armaments and materiel will almost certainly have time to arrive in volumes sufficient to further complicate an already difficult task.

In the absence of a negotiated settlement, this would present Russia with a number of unpalatable prospects. Interdiction by conventional airpower, cruise missiles, etc. is likely to prove both costly and inadequate. A remnant Ukrainian "bulwark" state may not be a stable solution, and would in any case form a staging ground for a formidable insurgency, akin the use of the Pakistan border region by the Afghan Taliban.

If faced with this prospect, I believe Russia's leaders will at least consider the prospects for nuclear interdiction of supplies, and for nuclear compellence in disrupting further western transfers. The United States considered the threat and use of nuclear weapons to interdict the troublesome Ho Chi Minh trail in the Vietnam War. It is worth attending to both why this was considered and why it was ultimately dismissed:

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Chair of the Joint Chiefs General Earle Wheeler opposed using nuclear weapons to interdict supply lines but thought they would be necessary in a major war against China [....] William Bundy, Assistant Secretary of State for the Far East, suggested that limited use of such weapons for interdiction, in unpopulated areas, might be a different story. Rusk appeared doubtful that this could be effective, although he allowed that some sort of threats might be useful [....] Bundy noted Eisenhowers nuclear threats in the Korean War and suggested that the United States should at least consider what realistic threat of larger action is available to us for communication to Hanoi. He added, A full interdiction of supplies to North Vietnam by air and sea is a possible candidate for such an ultimatum [.....] Still, using tactical nuclear weapons in South Vietnam would be “helpful, but in no sense decisive. It would be equivalent to a major increase in the strength of B-52 bombardments.” For instance, it would take 3000 tactical nuclear weapons per year to interdict supply routes like the Ho Chi Minh trail.

Now, there are some differences between the situation the US faced in Vietnam, and that which Russia would face in a protracted conflict with a western-supplied Ukraine, Ukrainian rump state, or Ukrainian insurgency. Namely, Russia has a lower level of relative conventional airpower capability than the US did in the Vietnam War. Which is to say, "use conventional airpower to do the job instead" is not nearly as viable an alternative for Moscow as it was for Washington. Coupled with the fact that the outcome of the present conflict in Ukraine is ultimately much more important to Moscow than the dispensation of Vietnam was to Washington.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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That is a good one. Mr.Putin and his crew, Mr.Lawrow and comrades, took massiv advantage of being in charge. Russia is the most corrupt state in "Europe". From the head downwards. The wolf cannot guard the sheep.
Actually, reporting from before the conflict and when media had 0.1% independence instead of 0.0% we have...

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FairAndUnbiased

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At this point it seems unlikely that Russia will be in a position to directly interdict supplies across Ukraine's western border in the near future. Certainly the prospect is distant enough that western provisions of armaments and materiel will almost certainly have time to arrive in volumes sufficient to further complicate an already difficult task.

In the absence of a negotiated settlement, this then presents Russia with a number of unpalatable options. Interdiction by conventional airpower, cruise missiles, etc. is likely to prove both costly and inadequate. A remnant Ukrainian "bulwark" state may not be a stable solution, and would form a staging ground for a formidable insurgency, akin the use of the Pakistan border region by the Afghan Taliban.

In this context, I believe Russia's leaders will at least consider the prospects for nuclear interdiction of supplies, and for nuclear compellence in disrupting further western transfers. The United States considered the threat and use of nuclear weapons to interdict the troublesome Ho Chi Minh trail in the Vietnam War. It is worth attending to both why they were considered and why they were not used:

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Now, there are some differences between the situation the US faced in Vietnam, and that which Russia would face in a protracted conflict with a western-supplied Ukraine, Ukrainian rump state, or Ukrainian insurgency. Namely, Russia has a lower level of relative conventional airpower capability than the US did in the Vietnam War. Which is to say, "use conventional airpower to do the job instead" is not nearly as viable an alternative for Moscow as it was for Washington. Coupled with the fact that the outcome of the present conflict in Ukraine is ultimately much more important to Moscow than the dispensation of Vietnam was to Washington.
I disagree with assessment of relative airpower.
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along with 10k+ helicopters. There were multiple North Vietnamese flying aces downing B-52s.

Not a single Russian plane was shot down in air to air.

When you see Tu-22Ms get shot down then you can say Russia has worse air control than Vietnam.
 
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