Ukrainian War Developments

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Atomicfrog

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3 days of basic training, then pushed to the frontlines, but I'm sure they'll do fine, with the many hours of Call of Duty, Battlefield and Apex Legends under their belt, they've all the skills they need.

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Just over a week ago I met a group of young men who had volunteered at a centre in Kyiv to fight for Ukraine.
Most of them were in their late teens, not long out of school. They told me that after three days' basic training they would head for the front line - or very close to it.....

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Ukrainian need to stop talking about civilian death... they are throwing unprepared and unequipped civilians to fight... That yellow tape is their uniform ?
 
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Atomicfrog said:
Ukrainian need to stop talking about civilian death... they are throwing unprepared and unequipped civilians to fight... That yellow tape is their uniform ?
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From a purely military prospective, a lot of Zelensky’s dictats makes zero sense.

Molotov grandmas and conscripted 18-60 year olds charging in Enemy-At-the-Gates-style are all just largely going to end up as target practice for the Russians to be frank.

The only thing of value such Volkssturm tactics can achieve is piles and piles of needless civilian casualties for the cameras.
 
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Rumours are this man is already dead. He was sniping and Russians realised where he was shooting from (without realising they're up against someone with a bit of a fame) and just had a tank put a HE shell through the window at 3000m and that was that.
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Yeah, lot of forget the trick is to score lot of killing is to survive long enought to do the lot of killing bit.

I mean, if you look at the memoirs of the "famouse 2nd WW snipers" then they talk lot about how to hide the muzle flash, change pisition frequently , which one is the best hiding spot and how importan is to get out from it without taking any notice.

They don't care about the type of gun, scope , poition of breathing technics, because that helps to score one kill, but it is not good for more.
 
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Rumours are this man is already dead. He was sniping and Russians realised where he was shooting from (without realising they're up against someone with a bit of a fame) and just had a tank put a HE shell through the window at 3000m and that was that.
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One thing Russia will reduce western mercenary bill if they are only alive for like 3~4 days, I assume they only get paid the days they are alive...
 
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All this Russia asking China for arms media storm seems like it’s a load of BS.

Any new complex systems will take weeks or even months just for the Russians to be trained on them. And as western Javelin spam showed, even sending in comparative simple systems is going to be massively wasteful and very likely ineffective, not to mention easily detected.

As such, there is minimal chance China can transfer weapons in secret and keep it secret. As such, without official Chinese government announcements, it’s almost certainly BS nonsense.

Similarly, it will take months or even years to set up production of Russian weapons in China before the first batches can reach the frontline.

Timeframe wise, it doesn’t make much sense.

Maybe China can transfer back some of the Russian made PGMs it purchased. But to be frank, i don’t think China has much of it left by now since the bulk of those stocks would have been purchased with the first batches of MKKs and would have reach the end of their useful lives long before now. With the PLA being notoriously cost efficient, they would have been used up in training before expiring, and any safety stocks held and expired would have been disposed off shortly after expiring anyways.

The only things that might be supplied in short time and have significant battlefield impact would be combat optics and night vision. We are already seeming Holosun optics showing up in some pictures, so it’s one thing I’m keeping an eye on. But such optics are commercially available so even if they start showing up en mass, it’s hardly going to be proof positive of anything other than maybe somebody making big AliExpress orders. Indeed, the Ukrainians have been buying Holosuns en mass themselves, so the Russians could just be using battlefield pick ups themselves.
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agree with what you say, this sound very bs to me also. it seem like the USA prob pick some intelligence about asking china for assistance and who know what this could be, from communication interception help or better satellite recon, maybe even manpower in Russia for maintenance(revive older equipment) help who knows, but most likely not about any weapons help.( by looking at the armament the Russian are sending in the BMP 1, t 72 and artillery we know Russia still have a lot of this old supplies.) if anything we know Russia still keep a larger tank force than that of the USA. so armament help seem highly unlikely. however, i do think the USA is probably spreading this news to the media, to seem like they doing something preemptive to garner political point. most likely nothing will happen from it.

P.S. on the other hand like i say before why this is a win win china situation if this war bankrupt Russia, it could mean another cheap sell off of the Russia military, maybe even finally help china with that pesky engine problems.
 
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