Ukrainian War Developments

Maikeru said:

Honestly I would expect Russian built equipment in PLA service such as Su30/35, Kilo class and Mil 17s. China has better indigenous systems to replace them with and Russia would mainly be intending these to deter NATO rather than for the immediate fight in Ukraine.

WaPo article:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1503116901400158209

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I highly doubt Russia would be short of any of those platforms. Even for parts they could cannabalise some of their old stock.

For WL-2 the Russian could have got as many as they wanted before the war started.

The only thing that makes sense to me would be something that they've recognised has unexpectedly good utility "on the job". The most obvious thing is drones for reconnaissance and targeting. We've seen a steady increase in Russian drone footage as the war has gone on.

Old fashoned heavy Soviet artillery & modern Chinese reconnaissance drones will do far more damage than a TB2 or WL-2 alone.

Maikeru said:

Su35s and many of the Hips will have plenty of life left. Even Su30s might have a decade of service life left. Point is Russia could easily and quickly assimilate them. And PLA doesn't really want or need them (especially Su35). From a strictly military and mercantile point of view, it would be good for the PLA to divest itself of as much Russian kit as possible, for as much money as possible, and spend the money on much better indigenous kit like J16, Z20 and Type 039C.

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Come on, lets be serious. What do the Chinese get in return for this? Absolutely nothing that they can't extract out of Russia anyway even if they stood by and did nothing. There is far more upsides commercially and diplomatically for them to remain neutral and wait for the contracts for reconstruction in Ukraine.

ZeEa5KPul said:

Russia makes its own weapons.

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Can't you see I'm trying to be a salesman.

sheogorath said:

Gringos already whinning about it

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1503099029604999179

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The gringos can all pound sand.

China's embassy in Washington responding to media reports about Russia asking for help:

The spokesperson for China's embassy in Washington responded to media reports on Sunday that Moscow had asked Beijing for military equipment since launching its invasion of Ukraine by saying, "I've never heard of that."

The spokesperson, Liu Pengyu, said China's priority was to prevent the tense situation in Ukraine from getting out of control.

"The current situation in Ukraine is indeed disconcerting," he said in an emailed response to a query from Reuters.


"The high priority now is to prevent the tense situation from escalating or even getting out of control."

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Kich said:

Can't you see I'm trying to be a salesman.

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He must be new, ‘roun‘ here!

SampanViking said:

Would China need to sell Russia weapons or simply make some of its industrial capacity available to Russian arms manufacturers to increase production?

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Kind of unlikely. like for modern systems say aircraft, even Chinese were to transfer their Su-30MK2's I wonder how many pilots in VKS proficient in operating them. They do operates Su-30M's which is the MK2 heart and soul but in small numbers compared to SM.

as for industry, this is interesting but this wont yield result in short terms. it's not like say, Shenyang factory can be quickly retooled to start printing Su-30SM's.

SampanViking said:

Would China need to sell Russia weapons or simply make some of its industrial capacity available to Russian arms manufacturers to increase production?

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For the latter, unlikely. Russia is fighting the Ukraine here, not fighting WW3. They're not dedicating their own industry to this conflict, let alone needing China's.

China is in the midst of modernising its military so increasing production capacity wouldn't be easy.

Maikeru said:

Talking of credentials, Hu Wei has more than any commentator here in respect of the subject matter of his article. The header has been updated:

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Update on March 13, 2022: The following article was submitted by the author to the

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of the US-China Perception Monitor. The article was not commissioned by the US-China Perception Monitor, nor is the author affiliated with the Carter Center or the US-China Perception Monitor.

Hu Wei is the vice-chairman of the Public Policy Research Center of the Counselor’s Office of the State Council, the chairman of Shanghai Public Policy Research Association, the chairman of the Academic Committee of the Chahar Institute, a professor, and a doctoral supervisor. To read more by Hu,

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to read his article on “How did Deng Xiaoping coordinate domestic and international affairs?”

So not originally written in "think tank English".

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Who gives a flying hoot about Dr. Hu's American opinion on Chinese strategic interests. He's an important of many voices in China. Thank goodness he wasn't around during Chairman Mao's era, he's one of those who should have been sent to the country side for re-education purposes.

Overbom said:

So that's CNN, Washington Post, and Financial Times reporting the same thing "according to US sources".

It is fair to say that all these CIA-fronts use the same source which is the CIA. Now the question is if we trust the CIA to say the truth....

Personally, I would pay serious attention to this only if we get a second primary non-CIA source

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Jim Sciuttu worked and probably still does for the U.S. Intelligence establishment. So I take his s.. T with a grain of Disinformation warfare like a good practioner that he is.