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Maikeru

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Speaking of which, what kind of weapon system China can supply and Russia can use right away, in about a month time? This news makes it sounds like a weapon system is something you buy from Amazon.com and ready to use the moment you unbox it. I call it fake news.
Honestly I would expect Russian built equipment in PLA service such as Su30/35, Kilo class and Mil 17s. China has better indigenous systems to replace them with and Russia would mainly be intending these to deter NATO rather than for the immediate fight in Ukraine.

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Most will not see a drone to shot it with a stinger... most of them don't do enough sound to be heard near diesel engines... Maybe dedicated troops with manpad could have a try but drones like Russian zala are pretty small... i think they go mostly unnoticed.
The idea would be to fly them accompanying any helicopters. Sort of like permanent chaff.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if China refuses supplying WL-2. Supplying lethal weaponry now could be seen as an escalation.
It's weird that they'd be asking for them now when they've finally got full air control and not a week ago.

Recon or decoy drones in large numbers would be more appropriate. Anything Russian made would also be fine.

Speaking of which, what kind of weapon system China can supply and Russia can use right away, in about a month time? This news makes it sounds like a weapon system is something you buy from Amazon.com and ready to use the moment you unbox it. I call it fake news.
You can't. The technical training takes a long time. Not only do the Russians need to learn how to operate it, but they also need to know how to maintain it and integrate it into their military.

Unless the Chinese and Russians have been doing some secret joint training or something of that kind, I'd say this news is most likely fake and invented by the US to apply diplomatic pressure onto China. We'll see how China responds though. Their response needs to be worded extremely carefully since many things can go wrong. Examples:

If China were to say that they will never support Russia militarily, then a seed of distrust would be planted between the two by the US, and the Russo-Sino split will happen again.

If China were to say that Russia never asked China for help and tell the US to get Biden some diapers and to fix the Ukranian problem, that's a good response since it would preserve China's neutrality and future and present opportunities of cooperation with Russia.

If China were to say that Russia did ask for "help" and that they will look into it, then they would lose their political neutrality, thereby dragging them into the conflict.
 

Maikeru

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They'll be at the end of their service lives. Not sure how much utility they'll be to Russia.
Su35s and many of the Hips will have plenty of life left. Even Su30s might have a decade of service life left. Point is Russia could easily and quickly assimilate them. And PLA doesn't really want or need them (especially Su35). From a strictly military and mercantile point of view, it would be good for the PLA to divest itself of as much Russian kit as possible, for as much money as possible, and spend the money on much better indigenous kit like J16, Z20 and Type 039C.
 

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Su35s and many of the Hips will have plenty of life left. Even Su30s might have a decade of service life left. Point is Russia could easily and quickly assimilate them. And PLA doesn't really want or need them (especially Su35).

Just because the Chinese have better equipment doesn't mean those assets don't play an important role in maintaining their force structure and executing day-to-day sorties (such as long-range patrols). Plus I doubt China would want to compromise its balancing act of maintaining in partnership with Russia while reaching out to the West.
 

Maikeru

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Just because the Chinese have better equipment doesn't mean those assets don't play an important role in maintaining their force structure and executing day-to-day sorties (such as long-range patrols). Plus I doubt China would want to compromise its balancing act of maintaining in partnership with Russia while reaching out to the West.
It's correct that China would be taking a (small) strategic risk by divesting such equipment now but it might be worth it to standardize on home-built equipment and reduce reliance on Russia. Again I am not taking into account any diplomatic downsides of this.
 
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