Ukrainian War Developments

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james smith esq

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If you think violation of international law and infringing upon sovereignty territorial integrity is "No problemo" , then perhaps you forgot about the "Century of Humiliation" and loss of Hong Kong and other Unequal treaties. Among the 8 nation alliance, the US only acquired an concession, whereas Russia annexed large swathes of Qing territory (Trans-Amur Baikal). If China ever became weak again, who knows, Russia might exercise the same adventurism on Chinese territory once again.

As a matter of principle, I am against White imperialism (Russian or American) because such brazen imperialism can happen to China in future if it is ever weak again (e.g., Unequal treaties)
So then, what of China’s invasion of Vietnam?
 

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So then, what of China’s invasion of Vietnam?
I said I am anti-White imperialism (whether Russian or American). Chinese imperialism doesn't count because I am Chinese. (no, I am just kidding)

China did attack Vietnam but Vietnam did seek hegemony against Chinese allies (Cambodia), so it's not China imperialism per se, but a retailiation for occupying Chinese allies. China didn't even annex any territories. Vietnam ceded a strategic gate and a waterfall, but even that doesn't compare to land grabs like Donbass/Crimea.
 

j17wang

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Does Russia have the right to invade Ukraine and what is the justification? The further bit about China is off topic for the thread.

Russia is fully justified in its invasion of as it seeks to correct what it percieves as a historical wrong. It is neither more nor less justified than the US invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iran...

As far as it relates to China, if Russia succeeds in increasing its comprehensive national power through correct execution of whatever Putin has planned, it is beneficial to the global resistance to American domination.
 

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The West is getting more desperate because of the ever-increasing Russa-China cooperation, but I have a feeling that there are a few in here who would rather choose to be a useful stooge for America (who wants to decimate China) than to stand with Russia.

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gelgoog

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If you think violation of international law and infringing upon sovereignty territorial integrity is "No problemo" , then perhaps you forgot about the "Century of Humiliation" and loss of Hong Kong and other Unequal treaties. Among the 8 nation alliance, the US only acquired an concession, whereas Russia annexed large swathes of Qing territory (Trans-Amur Baikal). If China ever became weak again, who knows, Russia might exercise the same adventurism on Chinese territory once again.

I would counter that with the fact that Stalin gave back to China vast swathes of territory after WW2. He made concessions others might not have made were they in the same strong bargaining position.

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The Russian Empire also sold Alaska to the US back when Alexander II was in power.

Russia's population is shrinking so there is next to no pressure to expand their territory. The same also applies to China. Russia would not give up the Eastern Coast for strategic reasons however. The inland regions are basically indefensible.

As a matter of principle, I am against White imperialism (Russian or American) because such brazen imperialism can happen to China in future if it is ever weak again (e.g., Unequal treaties)

As you should. But Ukraine has historically been part of the Russosphere and the US is just playing around as they usually do by pitting brother against brother. They also tried to do the same thing to China more than once. They always operate on a divide and conquer principle. The US only supported China against Japan in the between war period once Japan was ascendant. Their principle is to never allow any potential rival to grow too large to oppose them. Any talk of doing it for humanitarian purposes, or whatever, is plainly bullshit as can be seen by the US rehabilitating Nazis after WW2 was over and protecting the Japanese Unit 731.
 
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lucretius

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No risk of Russia growing to rival the US.

It's an economic minnow with significant brain drain and falling population.
 

plawolf

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Asking out of curiosity, does anyone else think that this shell strike against the nursery, which is being so loudly trumpeted in the media looks decidedly fake?

It looks like the weakest ‘shell’ I have ever seen. And that nursery also looks like it was pristine, with brand new matching footballs!

Always looks like they built a model nursery and rpg’d it. But what do I know?
 

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It looks like the weakest ‘shell’ I have ever seen. And that nursery also looks like it was pristine, with brand new matching footballs!

Always looks like they built a model nursery and rpg’d it. But what do I know?
Well my thoughts were that
a) The blast hole was back to front with the largest blast aperture inside rather than outside
b) virtually no actual blast damage
c) No sign of any shrapnel or shrapnel damage
d) No fire or scorch damage

As you say the rest of the room looked pristine
To me it looks like a half finished firing position knocked through by the Ukrainian army.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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If you think violation of international law and infringing upon sovereignty territorial integrity is "No problemo" , then perhaps you forgot about the "Century of Humiliation" and loss of Hong Kong and other Unequal treaties. Among the 8 nation alliance, the US only acquired an concession, whereas Russia annexed large swathes of Qing territory (Trans-Amur Baikal). If China ever became weak again, who knows, Russia might exercise the same adventurism on Chinese territory once again.

As a matter of principle, I am against White imperialism (Russian or American) because such brazen imperialism can happen to China in future if it is ever weak again (e.g., Unequal treaties)
I'm not afraid that China will ever be as weak as it was when it failed to industrialized. That's simply impossible in a world as interconnected as this where information and technology proliferate as quickly as they do. China's nuclear arsenal (its expanding nuclear arsenal) also makes it impossible that it would ever again be a victim of the aggression it suffered historically.

The Century of Humiliation is history. What we have to look forward to now are the Centuries of Glory.
 
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