Miragedriver
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That is very true and sad. There are fewer and fewer “real Journalists” left in this world. I would say that the vast majority (not all) are reports, or should I say repeaters.
Ukraine Revolt/Civil War News, Reports, Data, etc.
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That is very true and sad. There are fewer and fewer “real Journalists” left in this world. I would say that the vast majority (not all) are reports, or should I say repeaters.
Well I guess I have to totally disagree with you on that one Jeff, largely on account on the relevant definition of objectivity in this kind of situation.
Graham Philips represents a general viewpoint shared with many people in "the West". We were not convinced by what the mainstream media were telling us about this crisis from the very beginning and so started to look at other accounts by both none mainstream and none western mainstream sources. What we discovered, is that the none Western Mainstream accounts were from the very start, far more credible than the version of events from our own media. As the crisis deepened and unfolded it became clear that the greater accuracy and honesty of the accounts from none Western mainstream sources were proved beyond any possible doubt.
Graham has become a figurehead for this perception and he has done so by being in position and at the real front lines, while the proverbial is hitting the fan. He is a total contrast from the egotist foreign correspondents who mainly regurgitate official releases from 5 star hotel suites hundreds of miles away from the fighting.
He has also helped to give us the perfect metaphor for this situation. Last year we all watched the footage of his injury while in Peski. We also watched him being patched up in hospital. It was real and it was genuine. Just contrast his example with the fraudster US prime time Anchor who claimed to be shot down in Iraq. It could not be more stark or more revealing.
Graham suspected what many of us suspected and he was able and brave enough to go where it mattered and prove the MSM was BS and showed us why. I am not sure what exactly you mean by objectivity in this situation, as he has gone and showed us and told us the truth, while the rest of our media has blatantly Dissembled through its teeth!
I think that's as good a definition of objectivity as you could ask for.
I am not questioning the fact that Graham is voicing something people feel is important, or gives voice to an outlet or view that is missing.
I was simply indicating that from my perspective his reporting is not really very objective...and therefore is departing from what has been historically considered as journalism, which has traditionally been reporting pure facts with no interpretation.
Graham's work is full of interpretations and bias.
Having said that, a person can be subjective and still provide valuable information.
I haven't seen any "objective" reporting coming from pro-western mainstream media and that includes my own Singapore's media which just syndicate wholesale from those western media. So the same dishonest reporting gets repeated all around the world.
What has discredited western media in the eyes of non western readers are the biased reporting and coverage over the Ukraine civil war, crash of MH17, and the propagation of Islamophobia.
What has discredited western media in the eyes of non western readers are the biased reporting and coverage over the Ukraine civil war, crash of MH17, and the propagation of Islamophobia.
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Cassad has a commentary on what Graham wrote about the flag.
Perhaps this is written too rough and even cynical, but this is effectively a reflection of the Ukrainian reality, when the flag of a country, which made a big fuss of there not being hot points and military conflicts on its territory, became a symbol of those forces which immersed Ukraine into a civil war while waving a "state banner".
The patriotic fever, when they were painting everything possible into the colors of this flags developed in parallel with the flows of coffins from Donbass, which were also buried under the same flag. For Donbass and its ruined cities this flag became a symbol of death. Because of those who march under this flag tens of thousands of people died and today it is densely smeared with blood of those who only recently lived in the same country.
Of course, Phillips' words won't be understood by those who think that there's no fascism in Ukraine and that the junta is just a "victim of aggression". But those who went into Donbass and saw what the Ukrainian army turned it into and what happened with the Ukrainian army itself understand quite well that Phillips' caustic remark is essentially right: too often the Ukrainian flag is close to somebody's death. And while the fascist junta remains in power, I'm afraid that the prior perception of the Ukrainian flag is not going to return any time soon.
Perhaps this is written too rough and even cynical, but this is effectively a reflection of the Ukrainian reality, when the flag of a country, which made a big fuss of there not being hot points and military conflicts on its territory, became a symbol of those forces which immersed Ukraine into a civil war while waving a "state banner".
The patriotic fever, when they were painting everything possible into the colors of this flags developed in parallel with the flows of coffins from Donbass, which were also buried under the same flag. For Donbass and its ruined cities this flag became a symbol of death. Because of those who march under this flag tens of thousands of people died and today it is densely smeared with blood of those who only recently lived in the same country.
Of course, Phillips' words won't be understood by those who think that there's no fascism in Ukraine and that the junta is just a "victim of aggression". But those who went into Donbass and saw what the Ukrainian army turned it into and what happened with the Ukrainian army itself understand quite well that Phillips' caustic remark is essentially right: too often the Ukrainian flag is close to somebody's death. And while the fascist junta remains in power, I'm afraid that the prior perception of the Ukrainian flag is not going to return any time soon.
Putin broke the ceasefire agreement!
Kiev Refuses to Withdraw Heavy Weapons
Minsk agreement now at risk of imploding
Reuters) - Ukraine's military said on Monday it could not start withdrawing heavy weapons from the front line in the east as required under a tenuous ceasefire because pro-Russian separatists who advanced last week were still attacking its positions.
A truce to end fighting that has killed more than 5,600 people appeared stillborn last week after rebels ignored it to capture the strategic town of Debaltseve in a punishing defeat for Kiev.
Nevertheless, the peace deal's European sponsors still hold out hope it can be salvaged, now that the Moscow-backed separatists have achieved that objective.
Kiev says it fears the rebels, backed by reinforcements of Russian troops, are planning to advance deeper into territory the Kremlin calls "New Russia". Moscow denies aiding the rebels.
Fighting has diminished since Kiev's forces abandoned Debaltseve in defeat last Wednesday, and there were hopeful signs for the truce over the weekend, with an overnight exchange of around 200 prisoners late on Saturday and an agreement on Sunday to begin pulling back artillery from the front.
But Kiev said on Monday that it still could not start the artillery withdrawal.
"Given that the positions of Ukrainian servicemen continue to be shelled, there can not yet be any talk of pulling back weapons," spokesman Vladislav Seleznyov said in a televised briefing.
Anatoly Stelmakh, another military spokesman, said rebel forces had attacked the village of Shyrokyne overnight, along the coast on the road to Mariupol, a port of half a million that Kiev fears could be the next big rebel target.
"The fighters have not stopped their attempts to storm our positions in Shyrokyne, in the direction of Mariupol. At midnight the armed groups again attempted unsuccessfully to attack our soldiers. The battle lasted half an hour."
Rebel commander Eduard Basurin denied the fighters had launched any such attack, and said the situation was calm. "At the moment all is quiet, there is no shelling," he told Reuters.
In the biggest rebel stronghold Donetsk, occasional artillery fire could be heard through the night and on Monday morning, although it was not clear who was firing and it was far less intense than before the truce.
The separatist press service DAN reported two homes destroyed by shelling on the city's outskirts overnight.
Nearly a million people have been driven from their homes by the war between pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine and government forces. Last week's ceasefire was reached after the rebels abandoned a previous truce to launch their advance, arguing that previous battle lines had left their civilians vulnerable to government shelling.
"I hope, I just hope, in the truce. No one knows what will happen with the way the sides are behaving," said Donetsk resident Sergei, 52. "Now it's quiet, it's ok on the streets. You want such quiet. It was difficult to sleep before, not knowing whether you would wake up."
Kiev says the rebels are reinforcing near Mariupol for a possible assault on the port, the biggest city in the two rebellious provinces still in government hands. Defence analyst Dmytro Tymchuk, who has close ties to the military, said rebels had brought 350 fighters and 20 armoured vehicles including six tanks to the area.
Kiev also fears unrest could spread from the war zone to other parts of the mainly Russian-speaking east, where its troops are firmly in control and most residents are loyal but violent separatist demonstrations have occasionally flared in the past year.
Two people were killed on Sunday in Kharkiv, 200 km (140 miles) from the war zone, in a blast at a demonstration marking the anniversary of the deaths of 100 protesters a year ago in an uprising that toppled the country's pro-Moscow leader. Kiev said it had arrested four suspects who had received weapons and instructions in Russia.
Kiev Refuses to Withdraw Heavy Weapons
Minsk agreement now at risk of imploding
Reuters) - Ukraine's military said on Monday it could not start withdrawing heavy weapons from the front line in the east as required under a tenuous ceasefire because pro-Russian separatists who advanced last week were still attacking its positions.
A truce to end fighting that has killed more than 5,600 people appeared stillborn last week after rebels ignored it to capture the strategic town of Debaltseve in a punishing defeat for Kiev.
Nevertheless, the peace deal's European sponsors still hold out hope it can be salvaged, now that the Moscow-backed separatists have achieved that objective.
Kiev says it fears the rebels, backed by reinforcements of Russian troops, are planning to advance deeper into territory the Kremlin calls "New Russia". Moscow denies aiding the rebels.
Fighting has diminished since Kiev's forces abandoned Debaltseve in defeat last Wednesday, and there were hopeful signs for the truce over the weekend, with an overnight exchange of around 200 prisoners late on Saturday and an agreement on Sunday to begin pulling back artillery from the front.
But Kiev said on Monday that it still could not start the artillery withdrawal.
"Given that the positions of Ukrainian servicemen continue to be shelled, there can not yet be any talk of pulling back weapons," spokesman Vladislav Seleznyov said in a televised briefing.
Anatoly Stelmakh, another military spokesman, said rebel forces had attacked the village of Shyrokyne overnight, along the coast on the road to Mariupol, a port of half a million that Kiev fears could be the next big rebel target.
"The fighters have not stopped their attempts to storm our positions in Shyrokyne, in the direction of Mariupol. At midnight the armed groups again attempted unsuccessfully to attack our soldiers. The battle lasted half an hour."
Rebel commander Eduard Basurin denied the fighters had launched any such attack, and said the situation was calm. "At the moment all is quiet, there is no shelling," he told Reuters.
In the biggest rebel stronghold Donetsk, occasional artillery fire could be heard through the night and on Monday morning, although it was not clear who was firing and it was far less intense than before the truce.
The separatist press service DAN reported two homes destroyed by shelling on the city's outskirts overnight.
Nearly a million people have been driven from their homes by the war between pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine and government forces. Last week's ceasefire was reached after the rebels abandoned a previous truce to launch their advance, arguing that previous battle lines had left their civilians vulnerable to government shelling.
"I hope, I just hope, in the truce. No one knows what will happen with the way the sides are behaving," said Donetsk resident Sergei, 52. "Now it's quiet, it's ok on the streets. You want such quiet. It was difficult to sleep before, not knowing whether you would wake up."
Kiev says the rebels are reinforcing near Mariupol for a possible assault on the port, the biggest city in the two rebellious provinces still in government hands. Defence analyst Dmytro Tymchuk, who has close ties to the military, said rebels had brought 350 fighters and 20 armoured vehicles including six tanks to the area.
Kiev also fears unrest could spread from the war zone to other parts of the mainly Russian-speaking east, where its troops are firmly in control and most residents are loyal but violent separatist demonstrations have occasionally flared in the past year.
Two people were killed on Sunday in Kharkiv, 200 km (140 miles) from the war zone, in a blast at a demonstration marking the anniversary of the deaths of 100 protesters a year ago in an uprising that toppled the country's pro-Moscow leader. Kiev said it had arrested four suspects who had received weapons and instructions in Russia.
Jeff, there are many shades of grey, as people often said. Journalists can and often do lead readers into a point of view by presenting only one-side of a story or minimize/ridicule the other point of view. Case in point, just about every Western media presented US's accusations for the MH17(?) within hours of the downing, yet hardly anyone pay any attention to the actual evidences available (which is hardly anything) at the time. Even now, has anyone mentioned the fact that no cockpit recording has been release? At least I haven't seen it
I remember listening to the Flemish radio news some sixty years ago and finding that international news seen from a neighbouring country that is also a NATO country was seen very differently. Nowadays the news in Western countries is much more "gleichgestalted" but while the theory is as Jeff describes the practice has been different from the time of the first newspapers in the seventeenth century. It is still possible to get an impression of what is really happening by comparing main stream media - I have been doing so since I was seven years old - but looking at alternative media, that also are not quite objective, is very useful.