Ukraine Revolt/Civil War News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Reality of war in Ukraine : first part of following video is made by Ukrainian soldiers , second part next day at the same spot by rebels . Video is mildly graphic (censored in most parts) , yet do not watch if you are too sensitive .
Equation
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Looks like many in that film got killed by either mortar or artillery shells. Those poor soldiers...RIP.
Novorossia army got a quarter of all heavy equipment and ammo of the Ukrainian army, left in the Debaltsevo qualdron
February 21, 2015
Vz.ru - Ekaterina Neroznikova, Marina Baltacheva
Translated by Kristina Rus
Weapons delivered to Kiev from abroad do not help Kiev, but end up in the hands of the militia. According to the representatives of Novorossia militia, they got a hold of 25% of all arms that were in the posession of UAF and National Guard.
After the escape of the Ukrainian military from Debaltsevo a lot of military equipment, including foreign, ended up at the disposal of the militia. "The soldiers and junior commanders of NAF want to express special gratitude to the numerous volunteer organizations, who supplied the troops of the junta so well: very popular are the hundreds of night vision devices, digital radios, modern ballistic calculators and fire control devices, dressing and antishock supplies made in the West, Kevlar helmets (although the Russian are better, but still a big deficit), latest generation armor," - said the official representative of the Ministry of Defence of DPR, Vladislav Brig.
Recently NAF presented evidence that the Ukrainian army has NATO weapons. In early February, the Deputy Corps Commander of the Ministry of Defence of DPR, Eduard Basurin showed reporters the shells made in the USA, which were fired on Gorlovka. "A sample of a rocket of 155 mm caliber used by artillery systems of NATO countries", - quoted REGNUM the words of Basurin. "These systems are not in service of the Ukrainian army. This is a special shell of 155-caliber from SAU M109A1 made in the USA. This shell has a bottom detonator. Upon striking a building or structure it gets stuck in the wall and breaks the structure. If it enters inside a building, the blast and shrapnel destroy all living things.
The second shell is the unguided artillery system of 75 mm caliber. These artillery shells are also used by NATO countries and are not normally in stock of the Ukrainian army. This shell from the launch rocket systems, which are installed on portable rocket systems, mainly on cars.
These systems are widely used in many conflicts: Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and as you can see, began to be used on the territory of DPR. The markings are there, you can see for yourselves" - he told the press.
Kristina Rus:
The major German newspaper
It says that the German secret services estimate the number of dead at 50 000, much more than the 5400 civilians and 1200 soldiers mentioned by Poroshenko.
RT has an item saying that 1500 Kiev soldiers are missing in action:
1,500 Ukrainian soldiers are ‘missing in action’ – Ukraine Security Service negotiator
Published time: February 22, 2015 14:56
Kiev’s prisoner exchange negotiator has acknowledged 1,500 Ukrainian servicemen missing in action, and called on relatives of MIA soldiers, preferably through the female line, to undergo DNA analysis to help identity the bodies.
The Prisoner Exchange Assist Center, under the auspices of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) estimates the number of MIA soldiers in the conflict in the east at 1,500 soldiers, its chairman revealed to Ukraine’s 24 TV channel.
Yury Tandit said searching for the missing servicemen is a “tough job” being done by patriots and war veterans, recommending the MIA soldiers’ relatives talk to the relevant national authorities, and be patient.
“The most important is that blood relatives pass DNA analyses - that really helps. This way we find bodies and fragments. It is essential to find a person in whatever condition, dead or alive; we ought to know who is where,” Tandit said.
Prisoner exchange is underway and is expected to be over by March 5, he said adding that so far Kiev authorities have released 52 POWs in exchange for 139 Ukrainian soldiers, 103 of them captured during the Debaltsevo entrapment. Morale among the Ukrainian prisoners is “bad,” Tandit noted.
Tandit acknowledged that Donetsk rebels had provided wounded Ukrainian POWs with medical assistance, although they said those imprisoned by “field commanders” weren’t properly treated.
Rebel forces commented on the issue, saying dead Ukrainian soldiers scattered in Debaltsevo could not be collected because Ukrainian troops and National Guards have been coached to rig corpses with explosives, so the bodies need to be “twitched off” to avoid mine traps. And nobody wants to be tasked with that.
The Sunday Times reported on February 22 that the causes of at least half the Ukrainian servicemen being killed in the so-called “anti-terrorist” operation were incompetent leadership, friendly fire, the troops’ greenness, lack of discipline and the mishandling of weapons.
“Six out of 10 casualties among the Ukrainian volunteers occur because of blue-on-blue shooting [the army term for friendly fire] and the inability to handle weapons,” a 40-year-old, naturalized Briton of Ukrainian descent, who resigned from the British Army to train Ukrainian forces fighting rebels, told the Sunday Times.
The military expert known only for his callsign ‘Saffron’, who had recently returned from Ukraine also said the command of the Ukrainian army is dreadful.
There are about 30 volunteer battalions in Ukrainian forces, and each wages its own war, not notifying its actions to other units. There is no central command, no coordination and no standard radio frequencies for communicating with each other. Instead of using Motorola radio stations, soldiers use ordinary cell phones, seemingly uncaring that their communications are anything but secret.
The entrapment in Debaltsevo could have been avoided, but the Ukrainian commanders were just too slow in observing and reacting to developments in the theater of action.
On February 22, the rebels and Ukrainian troops began to withdraw heavy military hardware from the frontline as per the ceasefire agreement with Kiev.
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It says that the German secret services estimate the number of dead at 50 000, much more than the 5400 civilians and 1200 soldiers mentioned by Poroshenko.
RT has an item saying that 1500 Kiev soldiers are missing in action:
1,500 Ukrainian soldiers are ‘missing in action’ – Ukraine Security Service negotiator
Published time: February 22, 2015 14:56
Kiev’s prisoner exchange negotiator has acknowledged 1,500 Ukrainian servicemen missing in action, and called on relatives of MIA soldiers, preferably through the female line, to undergo DNA analysis to help identity the bodies.
The Prisoner Exchange Assist Center, under the auspices of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) estimates the number of MIA soldiers in the conflict in the east at 1,500 soldiers, its chairman revealed to Ukraine’s 24 TV channel.
Yury Tandit said searching for the missing servicemen is a “tough job” being done by patriots and war veterans, recommending the MIA soldiers’ relatives talk to the relevant national authorities, and be patient.
“The most important is that blood relatives pass DNA analyses - that really helps. This way we find bodies and fragments. It is essential to find a person in whatever condition, dead or alive; we ought to know who is where,” Tandit said.
Prisoner exchange is underway and is expected to be over by March 5, he said adding that so far Kiev authorities have released 52 POWs in exchange for 139 Ukrainian soldiers, 103 of them captured during the Debaltsevo entrapment. Morale among the Ukrainian prisoners is “bad,” Tandit noted.
Tandit acknowledged that Donetsk rebels had provided wounded Ukrainian POWs with medical assistance, although they said those imprisoned by “field commanders” weren’t properly treated.
Rebel forces commented on the issue, saying dead Ukrainian soldiers scattered in Debaltsevo could not be collected because Ukrainian troops and National Guards have been coached to rig corpses with explosives, so the bodies need to be “twitched off” to avoid mine traps. And nobody wants to be tasked with that.
The Sunday Times reported on February 22 that the causes of at least half the Ukrainian servicemen being killed in the so-called “anti-terrorist” operation were incompetent leadership, friendly fire, the troops’ greenness, lack of discipline and the mishandling of weapons.
“Six out of 10 casualties among the Ukrainian volunteers occur because of blue-on-blue shooting [the army term for friendly fire] and the inability to handle weapons,” a 40-year-old, naturalized Briton of Ukrainian descent, who resigned from the British Army to train Ukrainian forces fighting rebels, told the Sunday Times.
The military expert known only for his callsign ‘Saffron’, who had recently returned from Ukraine also said the command of the Ukrainian army is dreadful.
There are about 30 volunteer battalions in Ukrainian forces, and each wages its own war, not notifying its actions to other units. There is no central command, no coordination and no standard radio frequencies for communicating with each other. Instead of using Motorola radio stations, soldiers use ordinary cell phones, seemingly uncaring that their communications are anything but secret.
The entrapment in Debaltsevo could have been avoided, but the Ukrainian commanders were just too slow in observing and reacting to developments in the theater of action.
On February 22, the rebels and Ukrainian troops began to withdraw heavy military hardware from the frontline as per the ceasefire agreement with Kiev.
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According to the militia Kiev is holding more than 500 of their people yet......
And from the New York Times:
"The Ukrainian Army, outgunned and losing ground, has had a chronic shortage of prisoners of war to trade, and has resorted to releasing civilians who have been detained as pro-Russian activists in street demonstrations in different parts of Ukraine. The swap on Saturday seemed to be no exception. In a statement, the Donetsk People’s Republic said civilians were among the 52 released."
And from the New York Times:
"The Ukrainian Army, outgunned and losing ground, has had a chronic shortage of prisoners of war to trade, and has resorted to releasing civilians who have been detained as pro-Russian activists in street demonstrations in different parts of Ukraine. The swap on Saturday seemed to be no exception. In a statement, the Donetsk People’s Republic said civilians were among the 52 released."
Looks like the Briton Graham Phillips will be locked up as a terrorist if he ever returns to UK.
Great Britain is concerned. Graham Phillips is "strongly recommended" to leave Donbass.( )
British journalist Graham Phillips, who became a national hero of Novorossia after being wounded near Donetsk, recently published a letter that he obtained from the British Foreign Office. «We have been alerted to a number of social media updates that have caused some to raise questions about your presence in Ukraine in a journalistic capacity. — the letter says. — Particular things that have raised concerns include being photographed while wearing military uniforms, separatist insignia, or holding firearms. We are very concerned that you may be putting yourself in danger through these types of activities which could be seen as a blurring of the line between journalism and active involvement in a conflict».
Later the foreign office employee reminds that the FCO of the United Kingdom doesn't recommend British citizens to travel over the territory of Crimea, Donetsk, and Lugansk regions, and also in the Kharkov region. "As we have previously discussed with you, we recommend that British Nationals leave these areas".
Graham Phillips prepared an answer, which he also put up on social networks. In his letter the nice European diplomatic manners are combined with the quite Russian frankness and "novorussian" views. «I accept that my working practices may appear unconventional, — he writes to the Foreign Office. – However they are easily explainable – I wear camouflage when filming from frontline positions so as not to attract extra attention to those I am with, or myself. The Ukrainian military are equally inclined to shoot journalists as combatants.».
The British journalist explains his political position to the British diplomats, which in essence puts him into the same category with the separatists in the eyes of the Europeans and the Kiev authorities. «Firstly, on a factual point, I’m not in Ukraine, I am in Novorossiya, which voted to secede from Ukraine in referendums last May 11th, after the violent revolution of Euromaidan installed an unelected, far-right government,» — Graham explains. — «I wear ‘separatist insignias’ because I think Novorossiya is a beautiful country. I’ve taken part in firearm drills to augment my experience, and understanding, as a war correspondent.»
Graham also informs of his plans to return into Great Britain in the nearest time. "I appreciate the support of my country, in a diplomatic capacity, and hope that my work here has enlightened our nationals to the real situation here, rather than the skewered misrepresentation sadly perpetrated by much of the British media, and the mistaken position of the British government.".
We remind that Graham Phillips started to work in Ukraine as a journalist back in 2012. He started to work there for the journal What's on. In January 2014 he was on Maidan, where he started to shoot video reports for the first time in his life. Later he travelled all over the south-east of Ukraine on his own money, where he captured all of the important events in Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, Lugansk, Donetsk. In each city Graham always makes a survey of the local people in his trademark style of "How's life here? What do you think of Ukraine? Who's Poroshenko?". But lately the reporter complains that his own fame prevents him from communicating with people: after a wound that he received in November of 2014 on the positions in the settlement of Peski, Phillips became so popular that almost everyone recognizes him on the streets.
Great Britain is concerned. Graham Phillips is "strongly recommended" to leave Donbass.( )
British journalist Graham Phillips, who became a national hero of Novorossia after being wounded near Donetsk, recently published a letter that he obtained from the British Foreign Office. «We have been alerted to a number of social media updates that have caused some to raise questions about your presence in Ukraine in a journalistic capacity. — the letter says. — Particular things that have raised concerns include being photographed while wearing military uniforms, separatist insignia, or holding firearms. We are very concerned that you may be putting yourself in danger through these types of activities which could be seen as a blurring of the line between journalism and active involvement in a conflict».
Later the foreign office employee reminds that the FCO of the United Kingdom doesn't recommend British citizens to travel over the territory of Crimea, Donetsk, and Lugansk regions, and also in the Kharkov region. "As we have previously discussed with you, we recommend that British Nationals leave these areas".
Graham Phillips prepared an answer, which he also put up on social networks. In his letter the nice European diplomatic manners are combined with the quite Russian frankness and "novorussian" views. «I accept that my working practices may appear unconventional, — he writes to the Foreign Office. – However they are easily explainable – I wear camouflage when filming from frontline positions so as not to attract extra attention to those I am with, or myself. The Ukrainian military are equally inclined to shoot journalists as combatants.».
The British journalist explains his political position to the British diplomats, which in essence puts him into the same category with the separatists in the eyes of the Europeans and the Kiev authorities. «Firstly, on a factual point, I’m not in Ukraine, I am in Novorossiya, which voted to secede from Ukraine in referendums last May 11th, after the violent revolution of Euromaidan installed an unelected, far-right government,» — Graham explains. — «I wear ‘separatist insignias’ because I think Novorossiya is a beautiful country. I’ve taken part in firearm drills to augment my experience, and understanding, as a war correspondent.»
Graham also informs of his plans to return into Great Britain in the nearest time. "I appreciate the support of my country, in a diplomatic capacity, and hope that my work here has enlightened our nationals to the real situation here, rather than the skewered misrepresentation sadly perpetrated by much of the British media, and the mistaken position of the British government.".
We remind that Graham Phillips started to work in Ukraine as a journalist back in 2012. He started to work there for the journal What's on. In January 2014 he was on Maidan, where he started to shoot video reports for the first time in his life. Later he travelled all over the south-east of Ukraine on his own money, where he captured all of the important events in Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, Lugansk, Donetsk. In each city Graham always makes a survey of the local people in his trademark style of "How's life here? What do you think of Ukraine? Who's Poroshenko?". But lately the reporter complains that his own fame prevents him from communicating with people: after a wound that he received in November of 2014 on the positions in the settlement of Peski, Phillips became so popular that almost everyone recognizes him on the streets.