Ukraine Revolt/Civil War News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Jura The idiot
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I've been hearing about the gas for Donbass recently and I recalled my older post, where
(I just found the route between them -- am not saying the pipeline is shaped liked this
and this part is no longer a theoretical possibility -- the official Russian point of view can be found in the TASS article linked above ... (I guess many of you wonder how much is it: it says about four millions US$ daily value)
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and now my rant: I've read somewhere that since the first (September) Minsk Agreement the Separatists gained about 500 square kilometers; since the second (just last week) they gained additional 50 ... I'm not sure about the numbers, but the point is of Germany and France are doing about it?! (I wouldn't Mr. Putin to object)
this part is clearly wrong; since yesterday afternoon the Russian gas is supplied to Separatists directly (and announced it wouldn't pay for this part) according to TASS: ... the pipeline(s) seems to go through places (gas metering stations Platovo and Prokhorovka -- which is not the 1943 Prokhorovka, where the biggest tank battle ever took place) marked on this map:
(I just found the route between them -- am not saying the pipeline is shaped liked this
and this part is no longer a theoretical possibility -- the official Russian point of view can be found in the TASS article linked above ... (I guess many of you wonder how much is it: it says about four millions US$ daily value)
EDIT
and now my rant: I've read somewhere that since the first (September) Minsk Agreement the Separatists gained about 500 square kilometers; since the second (just last week) they gained additional 50 ... I'm not sure about the numbers, but the point is of Germany and France are doing about it?! (I wouldn't Mr. Putin to object)
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Jura The idiot
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related to the rant from my preceding post (interestingly, I found out at gazeta.ru
Government accused of 'sleep-walking' into Ukraine crisis
European diplomats had a 'catastrophic misreading' of the situation in the run-up to the crisis, EU Committee of House of Lords finds
etc. says The Telegraph:
Government accused of 'sleep-walking' into Ukraine crisis
European diplomats had a 'catastrophic misreading' of the situation in the run-up to the crisis, EU Committee of House of Lords finds
etc. says The Telegraph:
The English Cassad has a summary of the action:
1. Overall, in the pocket south of Logvinovo there were about 4.5 thousand people out of the original group of 8-9 thousands. The group was in essence cut in half. The crucial success was the sudden strike on Uglegorsk, after which the events turned in our favor, following the unsuccessful offensive in the area of Svetlodarsk. Slippages during the offensive happened due to the issues of military cooperation between various units, the lack of ammunition and heavy weapons in some of the LPR army units, and also due to stubborn resistance by some of the junta units, which ended up exceeding the expectations.
2. After "Olkhon"s group captured Logvinovo, the units of the GRU DPR Spetsnaz were redeployed there, which repelled the offensive of the unblocking group by engaging in fierce firefights, destroying 18 armored vehicles in the process. During this fighting the Spetsnaz suffered serious losses – 5 KIAs, more than 30 WIAs (the losses were mostly inflicted by powerful artillery fire). In essence the actions by "Olkhon"s group (which captured Debalcevo) and of the GRU DPR Spetsnaz (which repelled the counter-attacks on Logvinovo) pre-determined the success of the whole Debalcevo operation, which got stuck in the area of Mironovka for some time. At the same time it is worth noting that the defenders of Krasnyi Pakhar managed to hold important positions for the NAF, which may be later used to encircle the Svetlodarsk group of the enemy.
3. As for the exit from the encirclement — a part of the junta forces got out of the ring by leaving their heavy weapons behind by agreement (that is, the situation was repeated akin to Starobeshevo when the breaking junta group surrendered its tanks and some of the IFVs to the militia to get out of the Ilovaysk pocket), some of the forces tried to break through without an agreement (just like near Ilovaysk) – and they got crushed; once again some idiots decided that the agreements (exit in exchange for surrendering materiel) don't concern them. Up to 500 people were taken as POWs, about the same number tried to seep through the fields and country roads to the north of the M-103 road, some of them were on foot. The majority of heavy weapons were simply abandoned in the cauldron (either by agreement or simply due to fleeing the cauldron, so indeed there are a lot of trophies). Overall, an assorted collection of units managed to get out that amounted to 1-1.5 battalions. All of the artillery, the majority of armor and significant stores of ammunition were abandoned in the cauldron. All of the fairy-tales about the organized exit is just propaganda BS.
4. Regarding the junta losses: the number of 1200-1500 KIAs in the fighting for the Debalcevo bulge is closer to the reality. They didn't tell me about our losses in detail, but they were also quite significant, both in personnel (the heaviest burden of the losses fell on the end of January) and in materiel (on the other hand, the trophies will more than compensate for the materiel losses). During the whole operation the crucial damage factor, as before, was the artillery and MLRS fire. To some extent our artillerists managed to "outshoot" the junta artillerists near Debalcevo.
Overall, the Debalcevo saga is coming to a successful conclusion, the junta group was utterly defeated and in the next several days it will be possible to speak about the end of the battle for Debalcevo and also of the winter 2015 campaign. I'll summarize the results of the offensive and of the battle for Debalcevo in the next few days.
1. Overall, in the pocket south of Logvinovo there were about 4.5 thousand people out of the original group of 8-9 thousands. The group was in essence cut in half. The crucial success was the sudden strike on Uglegorsk, after which the events turned in our favor, following the unsuccessful offensive in the area of Svetlodarsk. Slippages during the offensive happened due to the issues of military cooperation between various units, the lack of ammunition and heavy weapons in some of the LPR army units, and also due to stubborn resistance by some of the junta units, which ended up exceeding the expectations.
2. After "Olkhon"s group captured Logvinovo, the units of the GRU DPR Spetsnaz were redeployed there, which repelled the offensive of the unblocking group by engaging in fierce firefights, destroying 18 armored vehicles in the process. During this fighting the Spetsnaz suffered serious losses – 5 KIAs, more than 30 WIAs (the losses were mostly inflicted by powerful artillery fire). In essence the actions by "Olkhon"s group (which captured Debalcevo) and of the GRU DPR Spetsnaz (which repelled the counter-attacks on Logvinovo) pre-determined the success of the whole Debalcevo operation, which got stuck in the area of Mironovka for some time. At the same time it is worth noting that the defenders of Krasnyi Pakhar managed to hold important positions for the NAF, which may be later used to encircle the Svetlodarsk group of the enemy.
3. As for the exit from the encirclement — a part of the junta forces got out of the ring by leaving their heavy weapons behind by agreement (that is, the situation was repeated akin to Starobeshevo when the breaking junta group surrendered its tanks and some of the IFVs to the militia to get out of the Ilovaysk pocket), some of the forces tried to break through without an agreement (just like near Ilovaysk) – and they got crushed; once again some idiots decided that the agreements (exit in exchange for surrendering materiel) don't concern them. Up to 500 people were taken as POWs, about the same number tried to seep through the fields and country roads to the north of the M-103 road, some of them were on foot. The majority of heavy weapons were simply abandoned in the cauldron (either by agreement or simply due to fleeing the cauldron, so indeed there are a lot of trophies). Overall, an assorted collection of units managed to get out that amounted to 1-1.5 battalions. All of the artillery, the majority of armor and significant stores of ammunition were abandoned in the cauldron. All of the fairy-tales about the organized exit is just propaganda BS.
4. Regarding the junta losses: the number of 1200-1500 KIAs in the fighting for the Debalcevo bulge is closer to the reality. They didn't tell me about our losses in detail, but they were also quite significant, both in personnel (the heaviest burden of the losses fell on the end of January) and in materiel (on the other hand, the trophies will more than compensate for the materiel losses). During the whole operation the crucial damage factor, as before, was the artillery and MLRS fire. To some extent our artillerists managed to "outshoot" the junta artillerists near Debalcevo.
Overall, the Debalcevo saga is coming to a successful conclusion, the junta group was utterly defeated and in the next several days it will be possible to speak about the end of the battle for Debalcevo and also of the winter 2015 campaign. I'll summarize the results of the offensive and of the battle for Debalcevo in the next few days.
The militia captured one of the 3 US supplied battlefield radars.
Ho! Civilians living nearby came for the abandoned MRE rations which the militia let them take.
They also captured lots of drones. The UAF is very well equipped army!
Ho! Civilians living nearby came for the abandoned MRE rations which the militia let them take.
They also captured lots of drones. The UAF is very well equipped army!
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They considered Russia to be so weak that they didn't saw the need to pay for enough people at the foreign ministries to look at what happened in that country. After all the European NATO countries spend more on "defence" than Russia and China together. So EU wrote an agreement for Ukraine to sign with a chapter on military cooperation.
thunderchief
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About that counter-mortar radar , I wonder is the document below genuine ?
