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Miragedriver

Miragedriver

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Some images of Gorlovka. After two week under fire from Ukranian Army
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Back to bottling my Grenache
 
SampanViking

SampanViking

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pla101prc said:
yea but my point being they are so close though. I personally would relocated any surplus personnel from say the airport or mariupol front to debaltseve to complete the encirclement.

and at the same time, Ukraine should not be so fixated on keeping NAF out of mariupol, if anything it should be good to draw them into two major battles over a hundred km apart. NAF at the mariupol front is especially susceptible to flanking maneuvers by the ukrainian army. if they have surplus manpower and armour, better to make good use of it when the enemy is stretched. though i do also concede that Ukrainian forces along with its leadership are probably in such dismal state that they are no longer capable of putting a proper offensive together, thanks to the egregious breach of trust some of them have committed during the battle of the airport.
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It is a very curious situation
The NAF seem to be probing at all the hot stops simultaneously but do not seem prepared to commit to a big push in any of them.

It could be opportunistic and looking to find the weakest spot and then concentrate there.
It could be running the ATO forces ragged by switching attention and sending forces running up and down the region
It could be that Putin is not happy with the continued offensive and has closed the shop which means that the NAF have not the helf that they had last week
or........ I do wonder if the objective here is condition rather than position? meaning that the desired outcome is not simply to break a front and then slog it out town by town to the Regional borders, but to achieve the actual meltdown of the ATO and make it a rout. NAF propaganda is certainly pushing the disaffection and desertion angle very hard....
 
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Dannhill

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I don't think Putin has turned off the "PX" as he had made statements recently denouncing the Kiev army as a NATO clone and not acting in the best interest of Ukraine itself. He also called the Ukraine govt as "govt in Kiev" without the explicit recognition of statehood govt.

It's very obvious Moscow has given up on trying to appease the west as even after forcing the militia to stand down last end of last year, Russia was slapped with more sanctions, with even more sanctions already lined up. While Kiev talked peace but continued to bombard civilians with impunity from west condemnation.
Clearly, Moscow is not going to hold back the militia anymore.

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Dannhill

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I thought those "volunteer" battalions of Kiev claimed that they only accept volunteers from Ukraine citizens and not foreigners? But there are various nationalities wearing their uniforms. Have they all taken up Ukrainian nationalities?

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pla101prc

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SampanViking said:
It is a very curious situation
The NAF seem to be probing at all the hot stops simultaneously but do not seem prepared to commit to a big push in any of them.

It could be opportunistic and looking to find the weakest spot and then concentrate there.
It could be running the ATO forces ragged by switching attention and sending forces running up and down the region
It could be that Putin is not happy with the continued offensive and has closed the shop which means that the NAF have not the helf that they had last week
or........ I do wonder if the objective here is condition rather than position? meaning that the desired outcome is not simply to break a front and then slog it out town by town to the Regional borders, but to achieve the actual meltdown of the ATO and make it a rout. NAF propaganda is certainly pushing the disaffection and desertion angle very hard....
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perhaps a bigger and more resourceful armed forces could afford to adopt such operational approach, NAF is clearly not fit for what you have described there. and it seems that their lack of focus is now emerging as a major weak spot.

the base of debaltseve's pocket is the indisputable focus of this phase of combat, there shouldn't be any unnecessary commitments on other fronts by either side. since neither are particularly well organized and equipped by modern standards, their plan of operations should be kept as simple as possible.
 
plawolf

plawolf

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One of the key principles of combat, be it hand-to-hand single combat or combined armies clashing, is not to overextend yourself.

The continued failures of the Ukriane government forces is a clear example of the dangers of doing so. Having exploited this tendency in the government forces so effectively, I think the rebels are in no rush to risk overextention themselves.

I suspect local geography also plays an important part.

If there are good positions worth holding, either side would be holding it already.

Could be that those last 5km is an effective no man's land, with no defensible positions. So holding it may be worse than leaving it so you don't put your troops out in the open to be hit.
 
MwRYum

MwRYum

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Just this month the UAF set to make huge gain in Donetsk, but in less than a month's time (in the same month, even) they not just lost that major offensive, but got almost 8000 men trapped in yet another pocket?

And on top of that, now the Kiev regime set to draft all male citizens from 16 to 60...those of us who do know some history and warfare should smell the West Ukraine is in serious trouble...
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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Yesterday we had been talking in the pub how often the success/failure of a Military Campaign depended upon taking/loosing some Road, then Bridge ... yesterday this involved looking at for example some ten miles stretch of
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between
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and the bridge which I hope can be seen, marked with A, at:
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Pro-Separatists map from yesterday:
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What will happen today?

P.S. I didn't post much lately because I saw too many videos of dead Civilians, people who just took a ride or went for a walk in (so far) quiet neighborhood
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... Hell!
 
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delft

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From Marine Forum Daily News:
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27 January
UKRAINE – RUSSIA – BLACK SEA (incl. related / non-naval)
The Ukrainian parliament named the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic as terrorist organizations … thus barring the Ukrainian government from participating in talks with the representatives from the rebel regions … direct affront to Russia which insists that the rebels must participate in peace talks.
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So Kiev is only interested in war?
 
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