yea seems almost in comprehensible for them to get themselves into this situation again. 50000 working-age male, in a male dominated society, is quite a significant number. taking all of these people out of the workforce will do quite a bit of damage to its economy.
Ukraine Revolt/Civil War News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Miragedriver
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Debaltseve will be ours! "Bryanka SSSR" in action:
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It seems obvious now that Debaltsevo is the main target, I do wonder if there are other factors in play. This is going back to the Feudal notion and this would mean not so much the Which Unit and What Position, but rather who owns them.
This would mean an attack not on the Ukrainian Army or Ukrainian State, but on the muscle of a particular Oligarch.
I will when I can do some digging and see if the units in the salient are associated with anyone in particular.
Miragedriver
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LNR milita fights Kiev forces:
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Miragedriver
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Novorossiyan armored column in Donetsk:
Novorossiyan armored column in Yenakijeve:
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Novorossiyan armored column in Yenakijeve:
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Miragedriver
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I would not let my children play with that!
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Yesterday the EU was about to publish a declaration of new sanctions against Russia formulated with the old Greek delegation to Brussels when 20 minutes before the planned time the new Greek prime minister called to say his government didn't agree. As my centre right Dutch newspaper ( ) writes today on page 12 the majority of the Greeks have more sympathy for Russia than for US due to the US interference in Greek affairs after WWII. The current foreign minister was twice imprisoned for opposing the US supported Colonel's regime ( 1967-74 ). So as unanimity is required no new sanctions by EU and in March when existing sanctions are to be renewed also by unanimity ....
Unless a coup is organized as in 1967.
Unless a coup is organized as in 1967.
Hackers claimed Kiev suffered 1000 dead in 2 weeks of fighting, with mass desertions and much captured tanks.
Blitzkrieg turned mayhem: Hacktivists claim they reveal Ukrainian troops’ annihilation
Ukraine's subversive hacker group CyberBerkut has published documents allegedly exposing dreadful situation with the Kiev's troops attacking separatist forces in the East: war crimes, tremendous loss of lives and wholesale desertion of entrapped troops.
The claim they have hacked personal computer of Ukraine’s Judge Advocate General and copied a number of classified documents. These documents are allegedly exposing some dark secrets of Kiev’s authorities regarding the real state of things in the zone of the so-called ‘anti-terrorist operation’ in the eastern Donetsk and Lugansk regions of the country.
The price of the warfare resumed by President Petro Poroshhenko in the east is terrifying. The hacked documents claim at least 1,100 servicemen of the Ukrainian army have lost their lives over the period of the last two weeks. Many dozens Ukrainian soldiers gave up to separatist forces. Ukrainian army has lost over 100 tanks and the armored vehicles.
This information comes into collision with the latest reports by Kiev generals about “no losses”,“defeated enemy” and “thousands of eliminated terrorists”.
The explanation to this is simple: according to the documents allegedly hacked, Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) has officially forbidden the Defense Ministry to reveal true casualties among servicemen.
[SEE THE TRANSLATION BELOW]
“Order by the first deputy head of the Anti-Terrorist center of the Ukraine's Security Service (SBU)
on anti-terrorist operation
Relating to orders by Defense Ministry, General Staff of Ukrainian Defense Forces and Head of anti-terrorist center of the Ukrainian Security Service to restrict from 26 Jan 2015 the presentation of data on real losses in the area of anti-terrorist operation.
Order:
1. Commanders of the military units shall present reports only to the anti-terrorist center
2. Deputy head of the Anti-Terrorist HQ shall instruct via Military Medical Department of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry head of the Dnepropetrovsk Military Hospital, Southern Military Medical Center (Odessa) and Northern Military Medical Center (Kharkov) to stop until further notice make reports through official channels on real losses in the area of anti-terrorist operation.”
The documents the hacktivists claim they have obtained paint a grim picture of the Ukrainian warfare: discipline of the troops is undermined, troops are running out of reserves, mobilization is stalled as army draftees are escaping the country, mostly running to Russia and other neighboring states.
With the lack of the hardened troops, Ukrainian military leaders order recruits into meaningless attacks on multi-layered defenses of the separatists, which results in havoc and vast casualties.
The Ukrainian military have even employed barrier troops who fired at their fellow servicemen in order to prevent their retreat, as could be learnt from the documents.
CyberBerkut has accused Ukrainian commanders of defecting, leaving their subordinates on the battlefield. The zone along the frontline is full of prowling deserters and blood-thirsty psychopaths dressed up in Ukrainian uniforms, claims the group.
“We’re CyberBerkut. We don’t forget, we don’t forgive,” announced the hacktivists, promising to follow up on “other criminal organizations” that started “civil war in Ukraine.”
Blitzkrieg turned mayhem: Hacktivists claim they reveal Ukrainian troops’ annihilation
Ukraine's subversive hacker group CyberBerkut has published documents allegedly exposing dreadful situation with the Kiev's troops attacking separatist forces in the East: war crimes, tremendous loss of lives and wholesale desertion of entrapped troops.
The claim they have hacked personal computer of Ukraine’s Judge Advocate General and copied a number of classified documents. These documents are allegedly exposing some dark secrets of Kiev’s authorities regarding the real state of things in the zone of the so-called ‘anti-terrorist operation’ in the eastern Donetsk and Lugansk regions of the country.
The price of the warfare resumed by President Petro Poroshhenko in the east is terrifying. The hacked documents claim at least 1,100 servicemen of the Ukrainian army have lost their lives over the period of the last two weeks. Many dozens Ukrainian soldiers gave up to separatist forces. Ukrainian army has lost over 100 tanks and the armored vehicles.
This information comes into collision with the latest reports by Kiev generals about “no losses”,“defeated enemy” and “thousands of eliminated terrorists”.
The explanation to this is simple: according to the documents allegedly hacked, Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) has officially forbidden the Defense Ministry to reveal true casualties among servicemen.
[SEE THE TRANSLATION BELOW]
“Order by the first deputy head of the Anti-Terrorist center of the Ukraine's Security Service (SBU)
on anti-terrorist operation
Relating to orders by Defense Ministry, General Staff of Ukrainian Defense Forces and Head of anti-terrorist center of the Ukrainian Security Service to restrict from 26 Jan 2015 the presentation of data on real losses in the area of anti-terrorist operation.
Order:
1. Commanders of the military units shall present reports only to the anti-terrorist center
2. Deputy head of the Anti-Terrorist HQ shall instruct via Military Medical Department of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry head of the Dnepropetrovsk Military Hospital, Southern Military Medical Center (Odessa) and Northern Military Medical Center (Kharkov) to stop until further notice make reports through official channels on real losses in the area of anti-terrorist operation.”
The documents the hacktivists claim they have obtained paint a grim picture of the Ukrainian warfare: discipline of the troops is undermined, troops are running out of reserves, mobilization is stalled as army draftees are escaping the country, mostly running to Russia and other neighboring states.
With the lack of the hardened troops, Ukrainian military leaders order recruits into meaningless attacks on multi-layered defenses of the separatists, which results in havoc and vast casualties.
The Ukrainian military have even employed barrier troops who fired at their fellow servicemen in order to prevent their retreat, as could be learnt from the documents.
CyberBerkut has accused Ukrainian commanders of defecting, leaving their subordinates on the battlefield. The zone along the frontline is full of prowling deserters and blood-thirsty psychopaths dressed up in Ukrainian uniforms, claims the group.
“We’re CyberBerkut. We don’t forget, we don’t forgive,” announced the hacktivists, promising to follow up on “other criminal organizations” that started “civil war in Ukraine.”
That is an interesting dimension, would much appreciate you sharing any information you can find. We know the highest level players are Russia and the US, and the grassroots players are the ones shooting at each other, but the "middle management" players the oligarchs who may actually hold the most sway over the situation are less well known.
Cassad said that the militia are not strong enough to punch through the layered defences of the Kiev forces who have numerical superiority in armour and motorised transport allowing them to move reinforcements around the battle lines more easily. Also, the militia are running out of ammo.