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Jeff Head

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asiq iqbal, thunderchief, interesting encounters! Thud, you even reminded us about Hipper's raids of 1914 ... but look here:
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French and even Italian carrier "conducting operations ... to enhance levels of cooperation and interoperability" Don't you think one more carrier should've been there?
Hehehe...jura, there WAS one more carrier there.


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From front to back:

Italian Cavour C550
USS Harry S. Truman CVN 75
French Charles de Gaulle R91


Now, in a few years, we will see the big English carriers once more taking part in such exercises...and it will be a proud day for the Royal Navy.
 
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From front to back:

Italian Cavour C550
USS Harry S. Truman CVN 75
French Charles de Gaulle R91

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Jeff, the picture I posted shows them from left to right :) Anyway, I think the Royal Navy needs two carriers so that one of them could be in places like the picture shows and the other close to the British Isles (I mean not just one, or none at all).
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
asiq iqbal, thunderchief, interesting encounters! Thud, you even reminded us about Hipper's raids of 1914 ... but look here:
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French and even Italian carrier "conducting operations ... to enhance levels of cooperation and interoperability" Don't you think one more carrier should've been there?

Well UK is already practicing carrier formation training and integration with USN even before QE is launched shows how serious RN is about its own carrier strike group

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UK carrier strike group

A Queen Elizabeth carrier
Type 45 DDG
Type 23 soon followed by Type 26 GCS
Astute Class SSN
MARS replenishment tanker

That's 7-8 world class warships
 
Well UK is already practicing carrier formation training and integration with USN even before QE is launched shows how serious RN is about its own carrier strike group

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asif iqbal you sure know how to tease me: with the Type 45 destroyer LOL

UK carrier strike group

A Queen Elizabeth carrier
Type 45 DDG
Type 23 soon followed by Type 26 GCS
Astute Class SSN
MARS replenishment tanker

That's 7-8 world class warships

Well, one of my hobbies are Proverbs, so: Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.
 

Jeff Head

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Jeff, the picture I posted shows them from left to right :) Anyway, I think the Royal Navy needs two carriers so that one of them could be in places like the picture shows and the other close to the British Isles (I mean not just one, or none at all).
I know...I responded to the comment about their needing to be one in addition to the Italian and French ones you mentioned.

And I agree with you 100%, though the times that both will be available simultaneously will be limited by maintenance and refit.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Just thinking about the capacity and capability increase in range and awareness the V-22 Osprey can vastly increase both

A refueling version of the V-22 and mini AWACS version of the V-22 would solve both issues

There's no cats and traps but that's where the vertical take off and landing capabilitys can bridge the gap won't be as capable as a Hawkeye but much better than a Merlin

With no cats and traps theres no way QE can have the situational awareness it needs the next best thing is to solve the issue by buying a high end product which comes in the form of the V-22 Osprey

The lift of a helo and speed, range and endurance of a fixed wing aircraft

This is something the Royal Navy should seriously consider no point having a carrier and relying on the French for carrier AWACS
 

Jeff Head

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Just thinking about the capacity and capability increase in range and awareness the V-22 Osprey can vastly increase both

A refueling version of the V-22 and mini AWACS version of the V-22 would solve both issues

This is something the Royal Navy should seriously consider. No point having a carrier and relying on the French for carrier AWACS
Tanker and AEW capable V-22s just make great sense all around.

The US Navy could use them on all of the Wasp LHDs and the new America LHAs. That would be 11 large flat top vessels right there.

The English could use them for both of the QE class.

The Italians on the Cavour and the Garibaldi.

The Spanish on the Juan Carlos.

The Australians on both Canberras.

The Japanese on both Hyugas and both Izumos.

The Koreans on both Dokdos.

Even the French on their three Mistrals.

That's 27 vessles right there, with a minimum squadron of three of each aircraft on each vessel. A minimum build of 81 aircraft of each type, and I am betting they would end up with over 100 of each aircraft. So it could be cost effective for them for these types of aircraft too.

And it would significantly increase the capabilities of all of those vessels, both from a defense standpoint in terms of the MUCH better AEW coverage, and in terms of maximizing the effectiveness of their own aircraft flying off of those decks.
 
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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
If the Prince of Wales had cats and traps then I guess we could use Hawkeye when both are operating together but since both have done away with that this is the next best thing

Sometimes I think it would have been awesome if we had cats and trap the F35C is a hell of a carrier fighter

Faster, stronger anf further 5th generation a league above the rest
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
Just thinking about the capacity and capability increase in range and awareness the V-22 Osprey can vastly increase both

A refueling version of the V-22 and mini AWACS version of the V-22 would solve both issues

There's no cats and traps but that's where the vertical take off and landing capabilitys can bridge the gap won't be as capable as a Hawkeye but much better than a Merlin

I'm no expert, but having rotodome between those gigantic propellers, which tilt btw ..... doesn't seem all that of a good idea!!

Is that possible? Would the prop-blades have to be altered or the rotodome be repositioned from its conventional location?
 
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