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navyreco

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I'm no expert, but having rotodome between those gigantic propellers, which tilt btw ..... doesn't seem all that of a good idea!!

Is that possible? Would the prop-blades have to be altered or the rotodome be repositioned from its conventional location?

With AESA/Solid state radar technologies, antennas:
- Don't have to rotate mechanically anymore
- nor do they have to be round

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Dizasta1

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With AESA/Solid state radar technologies, antennas:
- Don't have to rotate mechanically anymore
- nor do they have to be round

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That's very interesting!

I wonder, wouldn't it be cost effective for China to develop something like this for it's Ski-Ramp Aircraft Carriers? I mean, at least for the Ski-Ramp Carriers that China would field!
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
That's very interesting!

I wonder, wouldn't it be cost effective for China to develop something like this for it's Ski-Ramp Aircraft Carriers? I mean, at least for the Ski-Ramp Carriers that China would field!
first they would need a tilt-rotor. preferably a two engine model as the known four engine could not fold for carrier storage and maintenance. Alternatively a fixed wing Very Short take off air frame. a then the radar array, and command systems more compact then those on any of there current fixed wing models.
 
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Jeff Head

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That's very interesting!

I wonder, wouldn't it be cost effective for China to develop something like this for it's Ski-Ramp Aircraft Carriers? I mean, at least for the Ski-Ramp Carriers that China would field!
That concept for the V-22, which would be the EV-22, had been around, proposed, and on the table for several years.

You can bet the Chinese would love to have such an aircraft because it would be far more effective at AEW than a helo version. Can carry more equipment, can fly higher, can fly further, all of which will enhance its AEW capabilities.

But to date, China has not developed any similar aircraft.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
It is estimated that if the V-22 was operationally deployed in Iraq since 2003 the US helicopter losses would have been half of what they actually were for rotary wing aircraft
 

asif iqbal

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UK orders near for F-35 'stealth’ jet
Demand for new F-35 fighter jet of vital importance to UK manufacturers, with more than 500 British companies working on the project.



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Dizasta1

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That concept for the V-22, which would be the EV-22, had been around, proposed, and on the table for several years.

You can bet the Chinese would love to have such an aircraft because it would be far more effective at AEW than a helo version. Can carry more equipment, can fly higher, can fly further, all of which will enhance its AEW capabilities.

But to date, China has not developed any similar aircraft.

Yeah, that is true, China has no Osprey type aircraft in development. Without it, STOBAR carriers would be dependent on helicopter AWACS/AEWs.

But what are the chances that there are CATOBAR Carriers in China's long term fleet structure. It would certainly afford PLANAF greater range, operational flexibility and possibly carrier-borne AWACS. That is the logical direction to go in, unless China intends to spring yet another surprise for the world and unviel a VTOL rotorcraft!!

You never know

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Jeff Head

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Yeah, that is true, China has no Osprey type aircraft in development. Without it, STOBAR carriers would be dependent on helicopter AWACS/AEWs.
Actually, a properly designed STOVL AEW could be designed to operate off the Liaoning.

But what are the chances that there are CATOBAR Carriers in China's long term fleet structure.
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China will develop CATOBAR carriers and have AEW aircraft on them. In the example I provided above, they could be used to great effect for both types of vessel. Ultimately, the PLAN fleet will develop to CATYOBAR carries only once the 1st two or three STYOBAR carriers reach the end of their service life and are replaced.

But this is all off topic. Let's get back on topic regarding the UK military news.

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The UK looked at the Opsrey EV-22 and for whatever reason seems to have elected to go the helicopter AEW route with replacing the older Sea King Mk7 AEW helicopters with an AEW variant of the Merlin helicopter. (NOte: Obi Wan, do you have any more information on this outside the article I am posting here?)

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Defense News said:
LONDON — A program to replace the Royal Navy’s airborne early warning capability has moved a step forward with approval for assessment phase work on the Merlin Mk2 helicopter-based system being awarded to Lockheed Martin UK.

At the same time, though, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed the in-service date of the new system, dubbed Crowsnest, as 2020 — four years after the existing Sea King Mk7 capability is due to be stood down.

The MoD said in a statement last week that it had awarded Lockheed Martin an initial £3 million (US $3.5 million) scoping contract ahead of the expected autumn start of what is known as Assessment Phase 3.

Phases 1 and 2 were conducted under the auspices of the earlier Maritime Airborne Surveillance and Control program, which concluded in early 2010 before being overtaken by the requirements of the Conservative-led Governments strategic defense and security review.

“Crowsnest is funded as part of the core [equipment] program, and approval has been obtained for AP3 to take the project to the main gate [development and manufacture] investment decision,” said the MoD April 19.

The MoD said it was premature to discuss detailed costs, timelines and subcontractors ahead of the AP3 work but it did confirm a Defense News story from September 2012 that there would be a four-year gap between the retirement of the Sea Kings and the introduction of the Merlin-based replacement.

“The Crowsnest helicopters are planned to enter service in 2020 with a deployable capability following shortly afterward. In the interim, following the retirement of the Sea King Airborne Surveillance and Control aircraft in 2016, a level of capability will be provided through the use of embarked maritime helicopters, shore-based assets or shipborne sensors,” said the statement.

Lack of equipment funds until the second half of the decade is largely to blame for the introduction of the capability gap.

The decision to delay introduction of Crowsnest places further strain on British maritime surveillance capabilities following the scrapping of the Royal Air Force’s Nimrod MRA4 patrol aircraft force in 2010 as part of an effort to cut defense spending.

The introduction of the Crowsnest capability will coincide with the entry into service of the Royal Navy’s new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier with it’s F-35 jets .

The UK arm of Lockheed Martin has been appointed prime contractor on the program to replace the Sea King AEW capability, and along with the MoD will conduct a competition to supply the Crowsnest mission system.

That competition is likely to boil down to a two-horse race between the incumbent Searchwater 2000 radar supplier Thales UK and Lockheed Martin itself with the Vigilance system developed with Northrop Grumman.

Lockheed Martin is the Merlin prime contractor, although the helicopter itself was designed and built by AgustaWestland, and has more recently been responsible for a major capability sustainment program on the machine.
 
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FORBIN

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The UK Royal Air Force has taken delivery of the first three Boeing CH-47 Chinook HC6 helicopters from an order for 14 of the heavy-lift transport type.

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And 25 Merlin HC.3 go to Fleet Air Arm in 2014/15, 845, 846 Squ RM Cdo hel Force based at Yeovilton, use now each 11 Sea King.

848 Squ Sea King OCU was dissolved end 2013.
 
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