Jura The idiot
General
Jeff, I don't know which of multiple meanings of "punctuate" you meant, but I tried to point out again the Type 45 was under armed for its size
Jeff, I don't know which of multiple meanings of "punctuate" you meant, but I tried to point out again the Type 45 was under armed for its size
thunderchief
Senior Member
Daring-class is a product of political compromise in a frugal time . Lot of things have to be cut in order to preserve basic functionality : SAMPSON & S1850M radars along with very expensive active-radar guided Aster 30 . Ships of the class are basically and primarily carriers of said missile , everything else is secondary . Later , if the money is available , they could easily Harpoon launchers (or something better) and light-weight torpedoes . As for land-attack capability , they are planning to build Type 26 for that .
Jura The idiot
General
Nicely put. Of course, Type 45 has its supporters, too (even here, correct, Mr. Iqbal? ;-) and here's an interesting text looking into the media coverage
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Jura The idiot
General
Quote:
‘Defender was fully equipped with Sea Viper surface-to-air missiles and guns capable of firing 40kg shells as far as 18 miles. Her captain and crew knew this was the real deal and were prepared to engage.’
End of quote.
I tried to find more on this using google but found just one similar article with comments beneath it; some of the debaters didn't like the fact that help (namely, the HMS Defender (D36)) had come from England
Mr. Iqbal?
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
I wouldn't read too much into that Jura not all Scottish people want independence it will not be good for the Union better together I say
There is a saying, if war comes knocking its better for a Englishman to have a Scotsman in his trench than a Frenchman you get my drift right
Anything goes wrong then England and Scotland are one, we might have differences but they are not bigger than anyone from outside, Scottish militray tradition goes back not decades but century's
On another note the retirement of the Nimrod fleet was a big mistake the air frames had plenty of life left in them
Jura The idiot
General
Don't worry, Asif, I try not read anything on the issue of Scottish independence
but that's why I was surprised by those posts of nationalists who seemed to be more disturbed by "English" warship than by Russian intruder(s) so I hope I misunderstood them, otherwise they would be as ridiculous as nationalists tend to be!
thunderchief
Senior Member
Article is hilarious Russian ship had every right to be in international waters , and by some conventions even to enter territorial waters (Americans did that few times , that is how you got USS Caron incident ) . And beside , what would HMS Defender do against (presumably) Slava-class cruiser ? Threaten it with 4.5 inch gun ? That would go well against 16 P-500 missiles
Russian ship had every right to be in international waters , and by some conventions even to enter territorial waters (Americans did that few times , that is how you got USS Caron incident ) . And beside , what would HMS Defender do against (presumably) Slava-class cruiser ? Threaten it with 4.5 inch gun ? That would go well against 16 P-500 missiles
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Article is hilarious
It's all in the name, HMS Defender job is to defend and not attack, if that Salva Class launched all 16 Bazalt missiles you can be sure every single one would be detected, tracked and shot down by the Type 45 DDG
thunderchief
Senior Member
Defend against what ? Hordes of drunken Russian sailors invading Scotland ?
As for your other suggestion , well , don't bet your life on it
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