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There's a brief video of HMS Daring on BBC's website, seems to be taken out from a longer report which doesn't seem to be available! :(

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Congratulations to Daring's crew on completing the trails, I hope Daring has a long and successful service career and that she is joined by at least another 7 sister ships!
 
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Neutral Zone said:
Congratulations to Daring's crew on completing the trails, I hope Daring has a long and successful service career and that she is joined by at least another 7 sister ships!
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It looks like the RN may finally have a destroyer worthy of its crews and able to escort the QE and PoW (when they enter service next decade) wherver they need to go and handle whatever they may find. The Type 45 appears to be a very powerful warship, very capable. Perhaps some export orders may follow (besides Saudi) - maybe Canada should consider Type 45 to replace the departing Tribal class DDGs. If the Government really means to upgrade the Canadian Navy, it shouldn't be pouring lots of money into frigates that are now aging and will start needing replacing in the next decade or so.
 
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Norfolk said:
The Type 45 appears to be a very powerful warship, very capable.
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Yep, would definitely agree with you there.

Perhaps some export orders may follow (besides Saudi) - maybe Canada should consider Type 45 to replace the departing Tribal class DDGs. If the Government really means to upgrade the Canadian Navy, it shouldn't be pouring lots of money into frigates that are now aging and will start needing replacing in the next decade or so.
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In regards to Saudi Arabia, I don't know how interested they are. As I may have said before on this thread, there hasn't been anymore news on that front since the initial reports.

I'm not sure if the Canadians could afford the Type 45 with their current budget, though that's through their own choice as the defence budget is only 1.1% of GDP. If they went for a new AAW ship it would probably be a cheaper platform like the Alvaro de Bazan class frigate. However, that project is costing the Australians a fair amount of money so if Canada were happy for Daring-class destroyers to be built in the UK, it would save them money.

Also I don't know if Canada even really has a requirement for large AAW platforms.
 
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Also I don't know if Canada even really has a requirement for large AAW platforms.
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Unfortunately, a gap is opening up in the Canadian Navy with the retirement of the 4 Tribal-class DDGs. They performed the Fleet AAW mission, protecting the 12 Halifax-class ASW patrol frigates while they went about their work. Although the communications (and I presume sensor) suite of the frigates is going to receive quite an upgrade, I have seen no indication that any of them will be refitted for AAW. Consequently, the Navy will have to do without its own AAW. And the oldest of these frigates is already approaching 20 years of age.

My apologies for going off-topic.

I take it that there may 3, perhaps even 4 Type 45 destroyers(at times) to accompany each carrier. Am I correct in this guess?
 
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Norfolk said:
Unfortunately, a gap is opening up in the Canadian Navy with the retirement of the 4 Tribal-class DDGs. They performed the Fleet AAW mission, protecting the 12 Halifax-class ASW patrol frigates while they went about their work. Although the communications (and I presume sensor) suite of the frigates is going to receive quite an upgrade, I have seen no indication that any of them will be refitted for AAW. Consequently, the Navy will have to do without its own AAW. And the oldest of these frigates is already approaching 20 years of age.
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the Canadian and Dutch navy's contractions very sad they both own carries once :( and Canada had the 4th biggest navy after WW2 at lest the TRUMP upgrade should help the Halifax class last longer
 
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Let's stay on course guys - this thread is about the UK military and related news. The decline of other navies isn't a topic we should be going into. :eek:ff

Fu gives great advice!
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Long-lead items being purchased for new class of RN aircraft carriers.

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Power and propulsion machinery specialist Wärtsilä (Stand 2261) has received contracts from the UK’s Aircraft Carrier alliance for detailed technical support work and long-lead orders for the main and emergency diesel generating sets and their auxiliary and support systems for the Royal Navy’s two Future Aircraft Carrier (CVF) vessels HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.

The main diesel generating sets will form part of the integrated full electric propulsion system for the two 65,000-tonne ships. Wärtsilä has been nominated as preferred supplier for the prime movers of the generator sets, comprising two 12-cyclinder and two 16-cylinder Wärtsilä 38 engines for each CVF.

The main diesel generating sets will supply 40MW of the total installed power of more than 108MW (two Rolls-Royce MT30 gas turbine alternators rated at 36MW apiece will also be fitted) at 11kVA. This power will be distributed shipwide to meet the respective needs of propulsion, ship’s services and the mission system. According to Wärtsilä, its engines were selected for their “durability, reliability, economy, long periods between maintenance and full compliance with today’s and foreseen emissions regulations”.

For survivability, the main diesel generating sets will be installed in two separate machinery spaces. Each ship will also be fitted with a 12-cylinder Wärtsilä 200 engine (already being supplied to the UK’s Type 45 destroyer programme) as a 2MW emergency generator.
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EDIT: harry, indeed the purchase of long-lead items mean the project can only go forward now.
 
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Saudi Arabia confirmed on Monday it had agreed with the British government to buy 72 Eurofighter Typhoon warplanes at a cost of £4.3bn, part of a contract that defence sources said could exceed £20bn.

The announcement was made in a statement from the official Saudi Press Agency, which said the price of each aircraft – which works out at £61.5m ($122.5m, €88.4m) – was exactly the sum paid by the UK’s Royal Air Force for each Typhoon.
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Great news for BAE and the UK!
 
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