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Pointblank

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I actually quite like the names "Queen Elizabeth" and "Prince of Wales"! Makes them sound special. :p

I like how the British name their ships after verbs and adjectives... once you first hear of the ship's name, the ship already sounds powerful and majestic.
 

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Well, assuming that the two new carriers do in fact receive adequate and timely funding, there is still the wee matter of getting BAE and VT to work together, and then to achieve a real , working, and workable production agreement with the French...and then we'll see...

Still, this announcement is a start and hopefully it'll turn out all right in due course.
 
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there is still the wee matter of getting BAE and VT to work together

They've already agreed to do that today. All they need is regulator and shareholder approval, neither of which will be a problem according to all reports.

then to achieve a real , working, and workable production agreement with the French

Not going to happen. According to defence officials who spoke to the Financial Times, none of the superblocks are going to be built in France. That means the French can't hold up work - at best there might be co-operation on some smaller matters.

They had their chance to agree to a common work-plan, but their arsing around and refusal to back their project (whilst reportedly refusing to budge on their planned ISD, which might have delayed our ships) has cost them the chance to save serious money. Now they'll have to sort it out by themselves if they want it at all.
 
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On a different note, there is good news of a sort in relation to the Type-45 destroyers. It was feared numbers 7 & 8 would be cut in the middle of the news of the order for the aircraft carriers. However, no such announcement was made. Indeed, there is still apparently a requirement for eight Type-45 destroyers.

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The defence officials said it was still planned to build eight Type 45 destroyers, part of whose role will be to protect the carriers. Six have been ordered so far. Officials said the extra two ships were still included in planning assumptions.

The hulls for numbers 4, 5 & 6 are currently being built, but a full order for their completion has not yet been made. Doubtless a decision on 7 & 8 can only be taken once a price for those three has been finalised. That the Ministry of Defence is still "planning" to build eight is actually positive.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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I actually quite like the names "Queen Elizabeth" and "Prince of Wales"! Makes them sound special. :p[/QUOTE/]

i like both names as they are named after 2 of the most Iconic battleships of the RN during WW1-WW2

Queen Elizabeth: mined and disabled in Alexandria harbour along with her sister ship Valiant while Prince Of Wales was lucky to escape intact from her encounter with the Bismarck and was eventually sunk by the Japanese off Singapore before she was a year old. Iconic maybe, but for the wrong reasons. My vote for names would have gone to Eagle and Formidable, with Glorious, Majestic, Furious, Hermes, Leviathan, Audacious and Powerful following close behind. Any speculation on their pennant numbers? I'm going with R08 and R09...
 

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At least in finnish navy there's a practise not to reuse names of sunken warships. I agree with Obi wan, tradditional carrier names would have been better exspecially from tradditional carrier country...
 

Obi Wan Russell

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At least in finnish navy there's a practise not to reuse names of sunken warships. I agree with Obi wan, tradditional carrier names would have been better exspecially from tradditional carrier country...

Indeed. To further illustrate the point, would anyone contemplate boarding a liner named Titanic? How many Lusitania's have their been since ww1? I know they weren't warships but the point is valid. I Neptune doesn't shower a ships' name with good fortune, then we should take the hint...
 
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To further illustrate the point, would anyone contemplate boarding a liner named Titanic? How many Lusitania's have their been since ww1?

Well Titanic was lost due to bad luck and poor management. Lustinania was an unarmed ship sunk by a submarine. On the other hand I think the name from a warship that was destroyed by enemy attack could be used again if it's a good name.

I certainly am not so superstitious to believe it brings bad luck or is somehow shameful. Let those old ships redeem themselves though their successors' actions.
 

harryRIEDL

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Queen Elizabeth: mined and disabled in Alexandria harbour along with her sister ship Valiant while Prince Of Wales was lucky to escape intact from her encounter with the Bismarck and was eventually sunk by the Japanese off Singapore before she was a year old. Iconic maybe, but for the wrong reasons. My vote for names would have gone to Eagle and Formidable, with Glorious, Majestic, Furious, Hermes, Leviathan, Audacious and Powerful following close behind. Any speculation on their pennant numbers? I'm going with R08 and R09...

not entirely fair QE was the flag at the Dardanelles and was scraped at the end of WW2 and was the pinnical of pre world war one battleships and they were considered the 1st fast battle ships built

and PoW was also the most advanced battleships built being the KGV class it had the heaviest armor on any battleship bar Yamamoto and interestingly both the PoW of 1902 and QE both operated in the Dardanelles.

you could argue HMS Invincible is a bad name since the previous ship blew up in Jutland hell it had about 3 collisions and 2 of them were before it had been commissioned. and by naming the the new carriers after battleships is great use of powerful names

the naming of the WW2 carriers are name with a lesser importance compared with the BBs
the Eagle and Formidable, with Glorious, Majestic, Furious, Hermes, Leviathan, Audacious and Powerful all lack a royal link which the battleships had during WW2 and the CVF is reafuriming it all though those are brilliant names.
Audacious is used in in the 4th Astute
 
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