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Having a wealth of famous names to choose from is a nice problem to have! :D

I said earlier that I would have named them Eagle and Hermes, both are famous names associated with carriers and for me reviving the name Hermes would have been a fitting way to mark the 25th anniversary of the Falklands.

It's also good to see that these ships are proper aircraft carriers from the start and we are spared the politicial BS that gave us "Through Deck Cruisers!" :nono:
 
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It's also good to see that these ships are proper aircraft carriers from the start and we are spared the politicial BS that gave us "Through Deck Cruisers!"

Fortunately the Labour Party is a very different animal from the time the Invincible-class was built. I'm surprising myself by saying this, but I'm not sure we would have seen 2 x 65,000+ tonne aircraft carriers under a Conservative government.
 
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Two pieces of Typhoon-related news.

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The long-awaited Eurofighter will be flown in combat for the first time next year when it is deployed to Afghanistan, defence sources disclosed yesterday.

The first of two redesigned £80 million jets able to attack ground forces as well as enemy aircraft have been delivered to the RAF this week, The Daily Telegraph has learnt. For the next year RAF pilots will be training hard to fly the supersonic jets at speeds of up to Mach 2 at 100ft through narrow valleys as they prepare the aircraft for the war in Helmand province.

By next July, eight of the aircraft, named Typhoons, are expected to be deployed to Kandahar air base to begin supporting British and Nato troops in their fight against the Taliban.

But it has been a long and expensive acquisition, with the aircraft initially expected into service by 2000. Almost £13 billion has been spent on the Eurofighter Typhoon programme and this figure is expected to rise to £20 billion when all 232 have been delivered to the RAF.

Nevertheless, they should prove a major asset when they replace the aging Harrier squadron that has been operating successfully in Afghanistan since 2004. Being able to achieve speeds of more than 1,500mph and carrying a probable payload of two 1,000lb, laser guided Paveway bombs, the multi-role Typhoons will be able to deliver devastating firepower.

While the Harriers have been useful they are generally second on to the battlefield, with American jets with greater fuel capacity that are able to loiter over the ground providing the primary punch for British troops. But by carrying extra fuel pods and with mid-air refuelling, the Typhoons, built in Britain by BAE Systems, can be stationed for several hours in the air, providing cover and support for troops during gun battles that sometimes last an entire day.

The sophisticated Sniper surveillance system will also allow pilots to view the battlefield through the eyes of ground troops, allowing them to drop bombs with pinpoint accuracy. The development means that in addition to being able to take on other fighters, the RAF Typhoons will be able to attack ground targets. The 27mm cannons will be used for the first time once ammunition can be supplied.

Wing Co Gavin Parker, officer commanding of XI Squadron, which took delivery of the latest fighters, said: "The Typhoon is already an exceptional air-to-air fighter and is demonstrating excellent potential in the air-to-surface role. It will make it a fantastic close air support machine."

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The Ministry of Defence expects to sign a £20 billion contract with Saudi Arabia to supply 72 Eurofighter Typhoons within the next four weeks, The Times has learnt. Negotiators are understood to be working towards an agreement before the month of Ramadan starts in mid-September and the deal could be completed as early as the end of this month.

The fighter jets will be built and supplied by BAE Systems, Europe’s largest defence company, as part of a government-to-government contract called al-Salam, or “Peace”.

Despite the importance of the deal to both the British and Saudi Governments, it is unlikely that there will be a ceremony to announce it. Saudi officials had thought that the Typhoon contract could be signed during a state visit to Britain by King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, the Saudi ruler, in late October, but this has been scrapped to prevent embarrassing questions being raised about the involvement of the Saudi Royal Family in previous defence contracts with BAE.

Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the son of the Saudi Defence Minister, has been alleged to have received payments from BAE as part of the al-Yamamah Tornado contract. Both BAE and the Prince have denied that any payments were improper, but Saudi and British authorities are thought to want to keep al-Salam low-profile.

Britain shut down a Serious Fraud Office (SFO) investigation into allegations of corruption in al-Yamamah last December, but a US Department of Justice investigation is continuing. As a result, al-Salam, one of the most important export orders to be won by a British company, will be announced quietly in a few weeks’ time.

The al-Salam deal is expected to break down into £5 billion for delivery of the Typhoons, about two thirds of which will be assembled in Saudi Arabia. A further £5 billion will be spent on weaponary, while the lifetime maintenance contract for the jets will be worth a further £10 billion. The Typhoons will replace the Tornados bought by Saudi Arabia as part of the al-Yamamah oil-for-arms deal. This was arranged by Margaret Thatcher in 1984 and has been worth £43 billion to BAE since then.

The Typhoon is the most advanced fighter in the world after the F22 Raptor, which is not available outside the United States. The Typhoon was originally designed to dogfight with Soviet MiG fighters over Central Europe, but it is being adapted for wider use.

BAE said yesterday that it was delivering the first multirole Typhoon to the Royal Air Force. It is capable of bombing raids as well as air-to-air combat.

However, it will be armoured vehicles and not fighter jets that are expected to have propelled BAE’s revenues in the first half of this year. The company, which employs 88,000 people worldwide, is forecast to announce operating profits up 14 per cent to £614 million today.

Analysts expect revenues to be up about 7 per cent to £6.81 billion, thanks to a number of large contracts to build mine-resistant vehicles for the US Army. Another key win for BAE in the first half was a $400 million (£196.3 million) contract to upgrade and refurbish Bradley Fighting Vehicles.

BAE will also confirm today that its $4.5 billion takeover of the Florida-based Armor Holdings, which makes armour panels for vehicles, has been approved by authorities in the United States. The deal would make BAE the sixth-largest supplier to the US Defence Department.
 

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This deal with Saudi for Typhoons is exceptionally lucrative, not to mention that in the hands of capable pilots with good ground crews, it may give the Saudi's the ability to dominate the air over the Persian Gulf. No-one, except Israel (and I'm not even sure of that, even with upgrades to the F-15) has anything with which to contest Suadi control of the skies in that area (unless the Brits or Americans are in the area).

Deals like this and what the US is offering to Egypt, Israel, and the Persian Gulf states all give the very strong impression that the US and Britain in the not-so-distant future may leave the defence of the Middle East oilfields and sea routes in their hands whilst largely withdrawing themselves. It's speculation, but signs do seem to be appearing.

Iran is going to have to make much larger aircraft deals with Russia inorder to counter this, and no offense to Iran, but it's recently unveiled indigenous fighter obviously in no way can hope to accomplish much vis-a-vis an aircraft in the class of the Typhoon. This may be something of a bitter pill for Iran to swallow, given the efforts it is trying to devote to military self-sufficiency.
 
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It's also a boon for the RAF because it means they can foist some of their earlier block aircraft on to the Saudis, getting more advanced ones quicker in exchange.
 

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Its been a very bad week for HM Armed Forces this week.

Until 24 hours ago we had lost soldiers in Iraq to hostile fire. Within the last 24 hours however another two have been killed in Southern Iraq by an IED, whilst back home in North Yorkshire an Army Puma has crashed near Catterick Camp killing two soldiers on bard and critically injuring another 2. There is no news regarding the condition of the other 8 on board.
 
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No, not a good week. Deaths in Iraq are somewhat "understandable", but deaths through accidents are even more bitter in some respects.
 

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Tragic to hear about the loss of some UK military members:(

I found these pictures of the Puma crash online..Very sad indeed..

Royal Air Force personnel inspect the wreckage of a Puma helicopter which crashed the previous evening on Catterick Garrison training area, on August 9, 2007 near the village of Brokes, near Richmond, west of Catterick, North Yorkshire, England. The helicopter is believed to have been on an exercise when it crashed around 9pm last night. Two people died and ten people were injured; all believed to be military personnel

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I thought one interesting point was this:

"Daring's success at sea - when I gather she exceeded her design speed of 29 knots - is an excellent start to the intensive trials phase that will now begin as we bring her world-leading missile defence system into full operation."

I then came across the following article:

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The electric propulsion system - generators powered by gas-turbine engines - can take it to its target top speed of 29 knots in 70 seconds, but it still has enough left to get to 31.5 knots in another 50 seconds.

The gas turbines produce 47 MW, enough to power every house in Dundee. Its stopping power is equally impressive - from 30 knots to zero in 5.5 ship lengths, against a contractual requirement of 8.5 lengths. It can spin on a nautical sixpence - its turning circle is less than 3.5 times its own length, albeit at a heel angle which could test the most experienced sea-legs.

It was feared she wouldn't get much over 27 knots. To be able to exceed her target top speed by 2.5 knots is great! :)
 
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