Type 094 SSBN Thread

[tphuang]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

yes,
this is a improved 092,the letters at right corner below allready tell us.
I think many pictures says "094" is just this one.

There has only been one picture that is speculated as 094 and real.

the picture that posted. We can't say 100% for sure what it is. But giving the dimension and the ratio of hump vs several other parts, it seems that it can't possibly be 406. Maybe China had a second improved 092 that nobody knew about, but it's most likely 094.

 

[Finn McCool]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

There has only been one picture that is speculated as 094 and real.

the picture that posted. We can't say 100% for sure what it is. But giving the dimension and the ratio of hump vs several other parts, it seems that it can't possibly be 406. Maybe China had a second improved 092 that nobody knew about, but it's most likely 094.

That's the fuzzy one from a long way away right? I forget what thread it's in, but I think I remember it. I came to the conclusion that it could be an 094 too.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

That's the fuzzy one from a long way away right? I forget what thread it's in, but I think I remember it. I came to the conclusion that it could be an 094 too.

Are you talking about this one? I think the speculation was these were 093s. I think he's talking about the pic I attached in the first post of this thread from huitong's site which is the only pic I know of that is said to be the 094.

 

[maozedong]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

:coffee:

There has only been one picture that is speculated as 094 and real.

the picture that posted. We can't say 100% for sure what it is. But giving the dimension and the ratio of hump vs several other parts, it seems that it can't possibly be 406. Maybe China had a second improved 092 that nobody knew about, but it's most likely 094.

yes, it is hard to speculate china defence secret.they might have more than one 092.
this is some description from a reliabl westren magazine,not my oppinion.
"western intelligence reports have suggested that a second Xia-class SSBN may have been launched in 1981 and that one of the two lost at sea in 1985,this has never been confirmed and the only extant submarine bacame operational in the late 1980's and served with the north sea fleet until going into refit.a new class of SSBN (type094) is now under construction".
one of the two was lost? why? how?
some books mention that westren intelligence speculated china may have one or two 092, but some American intelligenc think china may have 3 to 4.
I have no idea.only my thinking is just one SSBN service in navy for nuclear power is not enough.

 

[Violet Oboe]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

Good to see someone digging in the same sources mao!
Additionally some russian authors maintained around 98/99 that a HAN type sunk after hitting an underwater rock in the Vladivostok approaches in 1983. Interestingly one article corroborated this with a scan of a 1983 Qingdao (Shandong region) military newspaper page which depicts recently deceased submarine navy officers.

I am acutely aware that even high ranked former russian navy officers told you everything you wanted them to confabulate for a bunch of dollars and a dozen vodka bottles in those days of economic despair and social disintegration, but perhaps there is some grain of truth is in this story.

Indeed many open questions remain. Probably PLAN planned to create a minimum deterrence force of 4 type 092 analogous to the french and british SSBN forces after the XIA program began in earnest around 1975. Ten years later Deng ordered reportedly that the program was limited to only one unit for development purposes. That leaves the question what happened after Deng was largely incapacitated after 1993. :coffee:

Today it is common knowledge that Deng did not want a manned space program even in 1991 but only a year later program 921 was born and in 94/95 it was in full swing patronized by both Jiang Zemin and Li Peng (the new and meanwhile quite succesfull leadership). In my opinion it is absolutely likely that Jiang ordered building a second or maybe third unit of improved type 092 after 1992/93 since JL-2 was in advanced development and type 094 would be ready only around mid next decade.

This scenario seems to be a logical development but unfourtunately there is no open source proof for it. I am sure people in the know (in PLAN and USN) will silently smiling about our uninformed guessing.

 

[maozedong]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

:coffee:
I think you are right,you know more secret that I never heard.
as so far as I know Jiang ze min do lots of progress for PLA.
you mensioned that Han type submarine sunk in 1983,as your knowledge at this speculation,I think it is true.
so,that means 091 typ submarines are only four service in PLAN, is it right? but all books and magazines still list china has five 091 typ submarines, even newspaper still mension it has five service in navy,that's instresting.
how do you think the picture says "094"? I think it is the first one, the picture looks like Xia,little deffint than #406.
all 092 in the picture shows that there is no more number mark at mast of submarine now,it' confussing.

 

[goldwool]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

094?
top secret in china
if you can get a photo of it,no secret anymore