Type 094 SSBN Thread

[tphuang]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

the answer is"no".both 091 and 092 are improved.
094 is totally a new type of sub.
look at those pictures,the sub has the call"turtle back" on the top.that is russian style ballistic missile nuclear sub in 70's and 80's century.the U.S Ohio class sub has no"turtle back"on it.
you may think about 094 type sub should be which style,russian or American?
all of the sub is rather like painted black now,so the new version of 092 is look like a little deffint than the before.

It's about the height of the SLBM vs the height of the hull. If the SLBM is too long, you have to get the hump. Considering the displacement of 094 vs Ohio, I have doubts that it can go without the hump.

 

[Sea Dog]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

I'm just surprised that China would build a submarine in this configuration (Xia style). I always thought they were seeking improvements to submarine design. Including the hull. Are you guys so sure that the 094 is going to look like the Xia?

 

[Jeff Head]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

I'm just surprised that China would build a submarine in this configuration (Xia style). I always thought they were seeking improvements to submarine design. Including the hull. Are you guys so sure that the 094 is going to look like the Xia?

A lot of people think it will, although from what I understand the newer attack subs (093) have adopted a more modern design for the hull. We'll just have to wait and see when we can get a better picture of the thing. Like the Varyag, huh?

It's frustrating, because as advanced as the US and other western desings are, you see open pictures of the subs, aircraft carriers, etc, from conception phase through to the finished product. Oh well, we'll just have to patient.

 

[Violet Oboe]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

Recently Kanwa mag was spreading rumours that PLAN has produced highly sophisticated dummy subs which are able to move like a real sub on the surface. Additionally these dummies are believed emitting an identical IR and radio signature which will make detection (as a fake) very difficult. Kanwa maintained that several dummies for SSK and SSN/SSBN are already existing and that each unit costs several million $.

Huitong´s type 094 pic looks quite mysteriously indeed, perhaps it is simply showing a dummy type 094. Spreading of the pic on chinese sites could even have been a deliberate action since PLAN wanted western analysts to be confused.

Is the whole thing possible or is this usual Kanwa imagination? Whats your opinion about this ´high tech dummy subs´story? :coffee:

 

[chicket9]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

what a waste of millions!

You're basically building floatable hulls out of much steel and fitting them out with heaps of things that make sure they omit same signatures as real subs...

don't tell me all the new Songs we saw ere only dummies

 

[maozedong]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

Please see the picture in the post below

Something is interesting. It's different than the pictures above.

 

[Gollevainen]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

That's a portion opf picture posted earlier and it's 092, not 094...

 

[maozedong]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

yes,
this is a improved 092,the letters at right corner below allready tell us.
I think many pictures says "094" is just this one.

 

[bd popeye]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

Recently Kanwa mag was spreading rumours that PLAN has produced highly sophisticated dummy subs which are able to move like a real sub on the surface. Additionally these dummies are believed emitting an identical IR and radio signature which will make detection (as a fake) very difficult. Kanwa maintained that several dummies for SSK and SSN/SSBN are already existing and that each unit costs several million $.

As to the best of my knowledge it is next to impossibe to duplicate the acoustic signature of a submarine. Such dummy subs would be discovered to be fakes immediatly once detected. The potential foe could spend a lot of time tracking them down. I doubt that these dummies,if they do exist, could duplicated the speed of an SSN.

Personally I do not believe this.

 

[Sea Dog]

Re: The First Pic of the Type 094!

As to the best of my knowledge it is next to impossibe to duplicate the acoustic signature of a submarine. Such dummy subs would be discovered to be fakes immediatly once detected. The potential foe could spend a lot of time tracking them down. I doubt that these dummies,if they do exist, could duplicated the speed of an SSN.

Personally I do not believe this.

I don't buy it myself. I do know the Soviets toyed with the idea of fake subs and ships at one point, but saw how ludicrous it was themselves. I'd like to see the article from Kanwa just out of curiousity.