Type 076 LHD/LHA discussion

Wrought said:

There are plenty of individual Indians with skills/education/etc, and that has never been a problem for them. The systemic rot comes from the way they are organized and incentivized (or not) by their government. It doesn't matter how talented your individuals are if they spend all their energy bickering and infighting and undermining each other. And not because they are individually stupid (far from it), but because that is simply the rational choice within their dysfunctional, rotten, system.

This paper touches on state capacity in the context of railway bureaucracy, examining why China succeeded while India failed. Give it a read.

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I agree. I don't think it's mostly due to a lack of skills as well. There ars skillful and intelligent people in every country. The main difference is in the system. Even the brightest person in the world can't achieve much in a messed up/ineffective system. Look at Elon Musks sucess in the US today and when he was in his home country South Africa. Could he have avmchieved the same level of sucess if he stayed in S. Africa? lol. Similarly even China herself why was China not as successful in the 50s to 70s until the country changed its system completely after Maos passing? We can all agree that if China maintain its maoist policies/system the country will be nowhere as successful as she is today right?

Michael90 said:

Similarly even China herself why was China not as successful in the 50s to 70s until the country changed its system completely after Maos passing? We can all agree that if China maintain its maoist policies/system the country will be nowhere as successful as she is today right?

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Maybe a total US embargo has something to do with it?

vincent said:

Maybe a total US embargo has something to do with it?

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No, it wouldn't have changed much even if the US lifted sanctions on China back then. The issue was the system and economic policy the country had adopted under Mao which favoured only a state run collectivisation system and forbid and even criminalised any private initiative. All policies which led to widespread inefficiencies, poverty and even famines.
There is zero chance the country could have prospered under such a system. Even if every single Chinese citizen was a genius it still wouldn't have changed much. Reason I said with a wrong political/economic system/policy even the most hard working/brightest citizens will still lead to a country in poverty and failure.

Michael90 said:

No, it wouldn't have changed much even if the US lifted sanctions on China back then. The issue was the system and economic policy the country had adopted under Mao which favoured only a state run collectivisation system and forbid and even criminalised any private initiative. All policies which led to widespread inefficiencies, poverty and even famines.
There is zero chance the country could have prospered under such a system. Even if every single Chinese citizen was a genius it still wouldn't have changed much. Reason I said with a wrong political/economic system/policy even the most hard working/brightest citizens will still lead to a country in poverty and failure.

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Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Stay on topic next time.

The tsunami of western money starting in the 90s is absolutely what sent China's development into overdrive. There's no reason for Chinese patriots to deny this. You need to stand on a giant's shoulders to rise.

On the other hand, the Chinese people have shown mind blowing tenacity and determination to advance their country at hyper speed and scale. They deserve immense credit and recognition for this. This is the western fan boys' blind spot.

Many often forget that brain rot runs deep and hard on all sides of the aisle.

banjex said:

The tsunami of western money starting in the 90s is absolutely what sent China's development into overdrive. There's no reason for Chinese patriots to deny this. You need to stand on a giant's shoulders to rise.

On the other hand, the Chinese people have shown mind blowing tenacity and determination to advance their country at hyper speed and scale. They deserve immense credit and recognition for this. This is the western fan boys' blind spot.

Many often forget that brain rot runs deep and hard on all sides of the aisle.

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Western money wasn't as nearly as important as Western technology and know-how transfer.

vincent said:

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Stay on topic next time.

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Lol This is not magic. Today technology is advanced enough to learn anything easily just a click away. A simple AI search can lay to ground everything easily.
Anyway, you are right on one thing, let's leave things here and get back to topic.