SteelBird
Colonel
One thing I'd like to remind you that in the international water off Somali coast, the Chinese troops are there too. Wonder what would happen if the Somali pirates hijack a Chinese ship... huh?
Two Chinese Cargo Ships attacked on the Mekong River.. 11 Chinese dead
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One thing I'd like to remind you that in the international water off Somali coast, the Chinese troops are there too. Wonder what would happen if the Somali pirates hijack a Chinese ship... huh?
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Does China have 24/7 UCAV capability?
If so, they should do a deal with Thailand and Burma and patrol the area with them and once the targets have been identified, blast the living bejezzers out of the scumbags.
If so, they should do a deal with Thailand and Burma and patrol the area with them and once the targets have been identified, blast the living bejezzers out of the scumbags.
Red___Sword
Junior Member
Guys, guys, it is a news to be condoled; not an opportunity to spread "what I would do if I am in charge".
To be fair, first although Thai police would not be the top-of-the-line when you figure, the point is "the take down" occures at Thailand, but the "hijack" took place at who-knows-where, and at "Golden Triangle", the border on a map didn't actually exists. If China like many sugguests, pushed the one country who "unfortunately" have the boats ported too hard, next time the people down the ground (ie. Thai border patrols) would choose a simple solution that shoot off any suspetious boats comes around, let other freaking country's government to take the blame from the mighty dragon. - So victims actually dies even faster next time, if any.
Second, "Incompetent foreign government" is one thing, "do the jobs FOR the incompetent foreign government" is another thing. It is a COLD fact for the families of the victims, it is a cold FACT for the reality world. China do not "rules" the centre-south peninsula (I don't use the know-nothing-racist term of "Indochina peninsula", because it is a racist term in fact - but to point it out this time), send in boys or send in H-6s loaded with neutron bombs would not improve the "social security" of the non-governmental "Golden Triangle" area, but only stir unified hatrate to "the bully Chinese" - people would happy to slughter Chinese by-passers for sports next time.
Third, specific to this case (other than the abovementioned overall geo-political situation), what China can do, is to cooperate and formally push the Thai government, (in a sense) root out corrupted police in regards this case (like plawolf pointed out evidences), strengthen the law-enforcement measure in the area one way or another (push, and send in advisers, inspectors alike), and formally cooperate "You have difficulties for PROPER HOSTAGE RESCUE MISSION, I will comes around and take over the mission (and took the responsiblility) next time, with your blessing".
Put in this way, Germany spells as a successful country overall, but in 1972 Olympic Games it did not actually that "success" in terms of doing a good police work in time of crisis - did the rest of world, especially the victim state took the measure to beat the German state, hammering the "loser state" so that we would have a better tomorrow? It appears didn't ends up that way. Yup Thailand is not Germany, and China is not Israel, but the rational is the same.
I would not be supprised if PLA or PAP special forces has been send in the area for some "proper response to a genocide" one day, but it will be with the blessing and fully cooperate of the host state(s), and such response would be "not more, not less" kind of enough, rather than "took over the job".
To be fair, first although Thai police would not be the top-of-the-line when you figure, the point is "the take down" occures at Thailand, but the "hijack" took place at who-knows-where, and at "Golden Triangle", the border on a map didn't actually exists. If China like many sugguests, pushed the one country who "unfortunately" have the boats ported too hard, next time the people down the ground (ie. Thai border patrols) would choose a simple solution that shoot off any suspetious boats comes around, let other freaking country's government to take the blame from the mighty dragon. - So victims actually dies even faster next time, if any.
Second, "Incompetent foreign government" is one thing, "do the jobs FOR the incompetent foreign government" is another thing. It is a COLD fact for the families of the victims, it is a cold FACT for the reality world. China do not "rules" the centre-south peninsula (I don't use the know-nothing-racist term of "Indochina peninsula", because it is a racist term in fact - but to point it out this time), send in boys or send in H-6s loaded with neutron bombs would not improve the "social security" of the non-governmental "Golden Triangle" area, but only stir unified hatrate to "the bully Chinese" - people would happy to slughter Chinese by-passers for sports next time.
Third, specific to this case (other than the abovementioned overall geo-political situation), what China can do, is to cooperate and formally push the Thai government, (in a sense) root out corrupted police in regards this case (like plawolf pointed out evidences), strengthen the law-enforcement measure in the area one way or another (push, and send in advisers, inspectors alike), and formally cooperate "You have difficulties for PROPER HOSTAGE RESCUE MISSION, I will comes around and take over the mission (and took the responsiblility) next time, with your blessing".
Put in this way, Germany spells as a successful country overall, but in 1972 Olympic Games it did not actually that "success" in terms of doing a good police work in time of crisis - did the rest of world, especially the victim state took the measure to beat the German state, hammering the "loser state" so that we would have a better tomorrow? It appears didn't ends up that way. Yup Thailand is not Germany, and China is not Israel, but the rational is the same.
I would not be supprised if PLA or PAP special forces has been send in the area for some "proper response to a genocide" one day, but it will be with the blessing and fully cooperate of the host state(s), and such response would be "not more, not less" kind of enough, rather than "took over the job".
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The reaction of the Chinese Authorities/Media is interesting. No doubt the posting of the images is intended to provoke a reaction.
This is a problem in China's back yard and I would not be surprised if Beijing dos plan to use it to be able to send in PLA SF. It is after all the perfect opportunity for them to present a "demonstration" and nobody is going to criticise them for doing so, given the circumstances.
I note that the Shan have been blamed for this and I have felt for some time that the PRC would be pleased for an excuse to bring this area into a state of better order.
Watch, wait and see I suppose.
This is a problem in China's back yard and I would not be surprised if Beijing dos plan to use it to be able to send in PLA SF. It is after all the perfect opportunity for them to present a "demonstration" and nobody is going to criticise them for doing so, given the circumstances.
I note that the Shan have been blamed for this and I have felt for some time that the PRC would be pleased for an excuse to bring this area into a state of better order.
Watch, wait and see I suppose.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
On a river, you have much less warning time of an attack compared to the open seas because of the short distance from the shore. A convoy system would not work unless you have a hell of a lot of patrol boats.
Patrols would also suffer from hijackers having the potential to have spotters keeping tabs of their whereabouts, allowing their confederates to strike where the patrols are unlike to be able to respond in time.
International patrols will also have major ROE issues, just like how the international forces off Somalia are facing.
This is a criminal problem, to solve it at it's root, you need law enforcement. The military will only be able to strike at the symptoms.
Sampan
I don't think there is all that much to read into the media reaction. When Uigher terrorists attacked a police unit out jogging, some pretty graphic images were posted as well.
I do not think China will use special forces because this is not a good mission for them. There are no clearly identifiable targets to take out, there is no clear set of objectives to accomplish, and there is no exit strategy.
If China had a list of targets, local police would be much better to use to pick them up.
There is no clear plan for how special forces attacks is going to stop drug smuggling in the Golden Triangle unless you want to just send them in to exterminate all the Shan and see if that works.
Even if you had a clear set of objectives and targets, unless you have local police willing and able to move in and fill the power vaccum and provide security and impose law and order, your special forces are going to have to stay there forever, because otherwise, as soon as they leave, someone else will just take over where the previous lot left off.
The only viable military option I can see is if PLA special forces went in and conducted a series of exceptionally savage and brutal slash and burn punishment raids, whereby you establish the ground rules that if you kill Chinese, your people will suffer horribly. The obvious moral issues aside, that is hardly the image Beijing wants to promote abroad.
The PLA may be tempted to flex it's new found military muscle given the right opportunity, but this isn't the right opportunity. Not by a long shot.
Patrols would also suffer from hijackers having the potential to have spotters keeping tabs of their whereabouts, allowing their confederates to strike where the patrols are unlike to be able to respond in time.
International patrols will also have major ROE issues, just like how the international forces off Somalia are facing.
This is a criminal problem, to solve it at it's root, you need law enforcement. The military will only be able to strike at the symptoms.
Sampan
I don't think there is all that much to read into the media reaction. When Uigher terrorists attacked a police unit out jogging, some pretty graphic images were posted as well.
I do not think China will use special forces because this is not a good mission for them. There are no clearly identifiable targets to take out, there is no clear set of objectives to accomplish, and there is no exit strategy.
If China had a list of targets, local police would be much better to use to pick them up.
There is no clear plan for how special forces attacks is going to stop drug smuggling in the Golden Triangle unless you want to just send them in to exterminate all the Shan and see if that works.
Even if you had a clear set of objectives and targets, unless you have local police willing and able to move in and fill the power vaccum and provide security and impose law and order, your special forces are going to have to stay there forever, because otherwise, as soon as they leave, someone else will just take over where the previous lot left off.
The only viable military option I can see is if PLA special forces went in and conducted a series of exceptionally savage and brutal slash and burn punishment raids, whereby you establish the ground rules that if you kill Chinese, your people will suffer horribly. The obvious moral issues aside, that is hardly the image Beijing wants to promote abroad.
The PLA may be tempted to flex it's new found military muscle given the right opportunity, but this isn't the right opportunity. Not by a long shot.
SteelBird
Colonel
The river seems to be pretty wide. Half a dozen fast armored boats under the command of an officer of the country they are sailing through should be able to intimidate the gangsters in not attacking a convoy or to react at the word of the commander. During an incident helicopter support might be provided. The Mekong is a very important transport route because of the scarcity of alternatives.
The main problem with convoys is that ships sail together and so arrive together and so increase the load on the port facilities. That is why merchant vessels don't like convoys.
The main problem with convoys is that ships sail together and so arrive together and so increase the load on the port facilities. That is why merchant vessels don't like convoys.
What about establishing a pan-regional police force tasked specifically with sending armed police on merchant ships for escort? They will also be equipped with communication device so supports like helicopter standby can be called on short notice.
It'll also be a chance to deepen co-operation between countries.
It'll also be a chance to deepen co-operation between countries.
There are just so many political obstacles to that kind of multi-national response force, it unlikely to happen. Best to figure out some way of cleaning out the drug trade that fund armed groups in that area.