Two Chinese Cargo Ships attacked on the Mekong River.. 11 Chinese dead
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CottageLV
Banned Idiot
Is that what happened when Somali pirates seized american ships, the US navy did nothing?
Those american citizens killed in mexico were 100% Mexican descents with american citizenship. They were not innocent and definitely were not tourists. Ordinary tourists down in Cancun or Mayan valley would not end up dead on the street. Only those live by the swords would die by the swords, aka cartel associates.
I don't want to be racist or judgmental, but let's be honest, if those American citizens were primarily white English spoken Americans from the suburbs of Connecticut or Seattle, going down south as tourists, and end up being abducted by the cartel. I'm sure the special forces and the military would be down there in no time.
Despite the global liberation army's unclean conduct of overseas military operations, we have to admit the fact that it does indeed do a very good job of protecting its oversea citizens. Just like Chalky from the HBO series, Boardwalk Empire, "if you mess with my people, I'll kill you".
This is something that China should learn from, instead of only sending verbal condemnation and cursing over domestic news. Justice should be physically served.
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"Is that what happened when Somali pirates seized american ships, the US navy did nothing?
Those american citizens killed in mexico were 100% Mexican descents with american citizenship. They were not innocent and definitely were not tourists. Ordinary tourists down in Cancun or Mayan valley would not end up dead on the street. Only those live by the swords would die by the swords, aka cartel associates.
I don't want to be racist or judgmental, but let's be honest, if those American citizens were primarily white English spoken Americans from the suburbs of Connecticut or Seattle, going down south as tourists, and end up being abducted by the cartel. I'm sure the special forces and the military would be down there in no time.
Despite the global liberation army's unclean conduct of overseas military operations, we have to admit the fact that it does indeed do a very good job of protecting its oversea citizens. Just like Chalky from the HBO series, Boardwalk Empire, "if you mess with my people, I'll kill you".
This is something that China should learn from, instead of only sending verbal condemnation and cursing over domestic news. Justice should be physically served."
The difference is when white people are killed by non-white (like Somalis or Hispanics), it will create a problem like you say. In this case, one Asian kills another Asian. If the whites kills the Chinese, then there might be different response.
"Is that what happened when Somali pirates seized american ships, the US navy did nothing?
Those american citizens killed in mexico were 100% Mexican descents with american citizenship. They were not innocent and definitely were not tourists. Ordinary tourists down in Cancun or Mayan valley would not end up dead on the street. Only those live by the swords would die by the swords, aka cartel associates.
I don't want to be racist or judgmental, but let's be honest, if those American citizens were primarily white English spoken Americans from the suburbs of Connecticut or Seattle, going down south as tourists, and end up being abducted by the cartel. I'm sure the special forces and the military would be down there in no time.
Despite the global liberation army's unclean conduct of overseas military operations, we have to admit the fact that it does indeed do a very good job of protecting its oversea citizens. Just like Chalky from the HBO series, Boardwalk Empire, "if you mess with my people, I'll kill you".
This is something that China should learn from, instead of only sending verbal condemnation and cursing over domestic news. Justice should be physically served."
The difference is when white people are killed by non-white (like Somalis or Hispanics), it will create a problem like you say. In this case, one Asian kills another Asian. If the whites kills the Chinese, then there might be different response.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Really? Did I miss the US marines storming the beaches of Somali?
Yet that is exactly what you have done.
I do not even have to check to know that it is complete hogwash when you claim that no innocent American citizens were ever murdered in Mexico by the drug cartels.
That is about as much as I care to say on this off topic and frankly very poor taste comment of yours.
Firstly, America does not operate like that because America is not run by the Mafia or some fictional TV series criminal organisation.
Secondly, surely you are not naive enough to imagine that such a thuggish attitude would not come with it's own set of different costs and consequences do you?
Even though America has not acted as ridiculously as you seem to want it to, it is still hated in many parts of the world by a not inconsiderable number of people and the American government is disliked by many many more precisely because of it's perceived image of being interfering in the affairs of others and unjustified use of it's military might. And many would argue that most terrorist attacks aimed at America and Americans are a direct result of decades of such behavior. Blowback is the term the CIA likes to use I believe.
The knee-jerk impulse to 'send in the boyz' is motivated by raw emotions and a desire for retribution instead of clear logic and seeking out justice. A good leadership and mature people should resist the former and try to achieve the latter. Sending in the military guns blazing might seem pretty satisfying, but in the long-run, it will almost certainly make things worse for you.
Well I'd say that unlike the US government, the CCP has no real need to pander to their own citizens so the likelihood of an impulsive gunboat diplomacy incident is quite low. But like everybody here, I agree that a strong message needs to be forwarded to the Thai government to seriously track down those responsible and deal with them accordingly. Also, just the play the devil's advocate a bit, is there any chance that the perpetrators didn't even know that they were killing Chinese?
SteelBird
Colonel
Well, I've been reading quite a lot in this thread. Fist of all, please put down the comparison between US army/government and their Chinese counterpart. What uncle Sam does, the Chinese might not do it the same way. Do you think it's right to send troops into other nation without their permission because some of your citizens were killed in that nation? Such an action will be considered as "invading" and I believe this violate international law. In stead, I think the Chinese government should put more pressure on the Thai government to push them to do their job well. If the pirates/robbers are in the triangle area, they can seek a joint military action to demolish those pirates/robbers. After all, no government would hope to have robbers in their country, right?
CottageLV
Banned Idiot
Have you guys forgotten the several Somali pirates shot by NAVY SEALs snipers in the Gulf of Aden? What did the US government do? Parachute in elite special forces.
Speaking of innocence, do you ever see tourists in rivieras get shot by cartels? Do you see random civillians by the hundreds get caught in the middle of a gang shoot-out? I'm sure there are exceptions, but no where near the scale which the American citizens are experiencing in Mexico. Majority of those are not innocent, probably most are involved in the cartel business. I have personally being to Cancun and several times, never experienced any violence or even heard of any. Again, majority of those killed weren't truly innocent.
Retaliation doesn't make a nation's government a mafia organization or a syndicate, but simply reflect its value of its own citizens and a nation's honour and pride. That's exactly what China lacks.
In the recent years, China have been seen as a push over on the international stage. You can do anything to China, the only reaction China has is verbal condemnation. Nothing else happen to you. All of us know what happens to kids like this on the block.
Speaking of innocence, do you ever see tourists in rivieras get shot by cartels? Do you see random civillians by the hundreds get caught in the middle of a gang shoot-out? I'm sure there are exceptions, but no where near the scale which the American citizens are experiencing in Mexico. Majority of those are not innocent, probably most are involved in the cartel business. I have personally being to Cancun and several times, never experienced any violence or even heard of any. Again, majority of those killed weren't truly innocent.
Retaliation doesn't make a nation's government a mafia organization or a syndicate, but simply reflect its value of its own citizens and a nation's honour and pride. That's exactly what China lacks.
In the recent years, China have been seen as a push over on the international stage. You can do anything to China, the only reaction China has is verbal condemnation. Nothing else happen to you. All of us know what happens to kids like this on the block.
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kwaigonegin
Colonel
Sending SEALs to take out pirates in international waters from the deck of a DDG ain't the same as sending SOF to Mekong Delta to take out drug runners dude. There are HUGE political implications on the latter not to mention incredible risks! This ain't Rambo pt 4.