Two Chinese Cargo Ships attacked on the Mekong River.. 11 Chinese dead

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Are we not surprised?

I guess since these soldiers turned themselves in, they didn't know the crew was Chinese assuming that stealing the cargo was the objective.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Unless the Thai government ordered this, the PLA will not get involved. Even if China does deem it necessary to send in men, they will come from the PAP, just like the men sent in to escort the stranded Chinese ships and crews back.

Anyone have any word on whether the Chinese are still suspending shipping?

I was always under the impression thast P.A.P. only concerned themselves with internal matters only.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
This story just smells worse ever time any new information emerges about it.

The Thai military taking an active part in drugs smuggling and murder. Even though the Thai army will insist these 9 men acted alone, nobody will believe that no other military personnel were involved. The Chinese must be applying massive pressure behind the scenes for this to not have been covered up, as this revelation is a massive black eye for the Thai military and government no matter what happens afterwards.

It is also interesting that these 9 men 'turned themselves in'. Surely they would have known that given the horrific nature and huge diplomatic pressure China is applying, that this is a death crime. It would be hard to see how these 9 men can expect to escape the death penalty if convicted.

Interesting that they turned themselves in instead of going on the run.

There is far more to this story then what has been reported. Lets see just how much of that gets published.

I think ultimately it's loyalty to the almighty $$$. No different than the mexican cartels and their penetration into the mexican police and armed forces.
Heck many of the founding members of the ultra violent Los Zetas Cartel were once members of the Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales...basically the elite units of Mexican Army Special Operations.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I was always under the impression thast P.A.P. only concerned themselves with internal matters only.

The security detail for Chinese embassy staff in Iraq are PAP.

The exact line where the jurisdiction of the PAP ends and where the PLA begins is unclear or undefined, but elite PAP units are certainly as good as PLA special forces, and the two can certainly do similar jobs as each other.

Personally, I think PLA special forces train more in terms of force recon, search & destroy, infiltration etc, whereas elite PAP units focus more on close protection, hostage rescue and building clearance etc.

Unless China want to totally clear out the Golden Triangle and start sending in PLA kill teams, any military deployment will most likely be for missions such as escort/guard duty and/or have rapid reaction units standing by along the river ready to move in and respond to any future hi-jacking situations.

These kind of missions would fit the skill set of the PAP better, and the PAP enjoy the additional advantage that technically they are a law enforcement force, so their deployment would not cause as much of a stir abroad as a PLA deployment would.
 

Lion

Senior Member
This story just smells worse ever time any new information emerges about it.

The Thai military taking an active part in drugs smuggling and murder. Even though the Thai army will insist these 9 men acted alone, nobody will believe that no other military personnel were involved. The Chinese must be applying massive pressure behind the scenes for this to not have been covered up, as this revelation is a massive black eye for the Thai military and government no matter what happens afterwards.

It is also interesting that these 9 men 'turned themselves in'. Surely they would have known that given the horrific nature and huge diplomatic pressure China is applying, that this is a death crime. It would be hard to see how these 9 men can expect to escape the death penalty if convicted.

Interesting that they turned themselves in instead of going on the run.

There is far more to this story then what has been reported. Lets see just how much of that gets published.

Usually Gang leader will pay a huge compensation to the murderer families. So that his men will turn themselves in. At least when they left this world , they know their love ones will not live in destitute. Yes and I believe China did exert a huge pressure on the Thai side. The gang leader also know he needs to submit. I guess this time they make the wrong move.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Usually Gang leader will pay a huge compensation to the murderer families. So that his men will turn themselves in. At least when they left this world , they know their love ones will not live in destitute. Yes and I believe China did exert a huge pressure on the Thai side. The gang leader also know he needs to submit. I guess this time they make the wrong move.

I think there would have had to be a bit of 'push' and 'pull', whereby the murderers were offered a choice - turn yourselves in, and your family gets a nice severance package, or go on the run and we will kill all your family.

If it indeed the drugs lords that have ordered these soldiers to turn themselves in, than that is a small victory in itself. Even if China and the local authorities cannot fully stamp out drugs and hi-jackings, this should have established some ground rules at least, and hopefully we will never see such a brutal case again.

That might be the best outcome that can be easily achieved. And I am a little surprised that this has come about so quickly. Usually criminals are loyal to each other and will rarely sell each other out.

Either China is somehow really hitting these drug lords in the wallet with the shipping freeze, or these drug lords are really scared of what the Chinese might do if no progress is made with the investigation. The Chinese public security vice minister must be looking under some uncomfortable rocks over there.

Now that the drug lords have offered an olive branch, it would be interesting to see if China takes it or pushes for more.

Personally, I don't think China can stop with just these 9 grunts. Someone higher up needs to take the fall or else the investigation will look too much like a cover up back home. But if China pushes too hard and the drug lords start feeling like they have nothing left to loss, that may well turn the violence up a notch instead of lowering it. Just look at Mexico, where the state and the US are launching an uncompromising campaign, which has in turn led to the cartels to deploy much more brutal and deadly tactics.

It is going to be a fine balancing act to get enough to keep the folks back home happy but not threaten the drug lords enough that they declare total war on China.
 

delft

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Mekong River Delta Defense Force ?
The killing of 13 Chinese sailors on the Mekong river near the Thai-Myanmar border is unreported outside of the region but the event stirred an outcry in China. Chinese citizens once again demand the Chinese government to act. It is also hurting trade, something the Chinese government cares a great deal about.
In addition to joint security operations currently underway, there is talks of a regional riverine force of 1000 (here) with modified cargo and Type 529 Army patrol boats.

China Defense Blog will monitor this development and keep you posted.
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(Reuters) - China, Laos, Myanmar and Thailand have agreed to joint security operations to go after "criminal organisations" which operate along the Mekong River after 13 Chinese sailors were killed in the area this month, Chinese state media reported on Monday.

The victims were crew members on two cargo ships attacked on Oct. 5 in the "Golden Triangle", where the borders of Myanmar, Thailand and Laos meet, a region notorious for drug smuggling.

Ministers from the four countries at a meeting in Beijing agreed to set up a law enforcement cooperation mechanism for the Mekong "to cope with the new security situation on the river", Xinhua news agency said.

The four countries will share intelligence and run patrols to combat transnational crimes, Xinhua cited a government statement as saying.

All participants will "carry out coordinated special campaigns to eradicate criminal organisations which have long threatened the region's security", it added.

Thai police said on Sunday that nine Thai soldiers had turned themselves in over the killing of the Chinese sailors.

"The participants agreed to take effective measures to step up efforts in joint investigation so as to uncover the full details of the case and bring the criminals to justice as soon as possible," Xinhua said.

China's growing presence in Asia, Africa and other parts of the world has prompted attacks, kidnappings and hijackings, and the issue has become a sensitive one for Chinese officials, who do not want to appear weak in protecting nationals.

The Mekong snakes from China into Southeast Asia, where it forms the border between Myanmar and Laos, and then Thailand and Laos. In 2001, the four countries signed an agreement to regularize shipping on the river.

The 4,900-km (3,050 mile) river also flows through Cambodia and Vietnam before reaching the sea.

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Yoko Nishikawa)

Also this article from China Daily:

Mekong needs security boost
Updated: 2011-10-20 08:06
By Song Qingrun (China Daily)
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At least 12 crew members of two Chinese ships were killed earlier this month by an unknown group of armed men who hijacked their boats in the Golden Triangle region of the Mekong River.

The reason behind the killings is not clear, because nobody can tell exactly what happened, where exactly the incident took place and who the perpetrators were.

The bloody case has once again set alarm bells ringing over navigation safety on the Mekong. Since it was jointly inaugurated by China, Myanmar, Thailand and Laos in 2001, the Lancang-Mekong Waterway, especially the Golden Triangle area, has become a haven for pirates, kidnappers and blackmailers. This year alone, dozens of ships have been hijacked in the region.

The murder of Chinese crew members has cast a shadow on commercial shipping on the Mekong. Some companies whose ships ply the Mekong waters are thinking of changing their profession and some Chinese enterprises are considering delivering their shipments via a different route.

The Lancang-Mekong Waterway has become a haven for criminals for three reasons. First, the high throughput of goods and passengers has made the waterway a favorite hunting ground for pirates and bandits. Last year alone, 1.5 million tons of cargo and about 400,000 passengers flowed through the waterway.

The coastal areas along the Mekong, particularly the Golden Triangle, are notorious for the production and trafficking of narcotics. The outlaws operating there are equipped with not only machine guns and hand grenades, but also mortars - and their weapons and ships are superior to those used by local police.

The brutal murder of Chinese crew members - their tongues were cut out and eyes gouged out - has compelled some people to say that the killings were an act of revenge against the countries that have launched anti-crime crackdown on the Mekong waterway.

Second, 786 kilometers of the Mekong is used for commercial navigation and runs through the territories of China, Laos, Myanmar and Thailand. It has harsh natural conditions and poor transport and communications networks, which dampens anti-crime efforts.

Third, greater attention is being paid to navigation safety along the waterway in recent years, but the bordering countries still do not provide sophisticated arms and equipment to security forces in the area, they are found wanting in emergency response, have poor transnational coordination and, as exposed by the latest incident, lack clues and lead to such cases making investigation inefficient and ineffective.

Despite safety concerns, the strategic and economic role of the Mekong is undeniable. Compared with overland delivery, delivery on the Mekong through overland-and overwater-network can save 40-60 percent of transportation costs and shorten time by more than half.

By far, most of the large cargo ships plying the Lancang-Mekong Waterway are from China. Hence, concerted efforts should be made to prevent such tragedy from recurring and hindering bilateral trade between China and member states of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), for which they have to take four necessary measures.

One, bordering countries should intensify patrolling on the Mekong and expedite the building of transnational security network by increasing investment, manpower and equipment to meet the specific security demands of the Mekong.

The 786-km long Lancang-Mekong Waterway starts from Simao in China's Yunnan province to Laos' Luang Prabang, and is of great commercial interest to China, Laos, Thailand and Myanmar.

The four countries should use the East Asia summit, scheduled for November, and unofficial meetings between leaders from the Greater Mekong sub-region countries to negotiate the use of the China-ASEAN Fund on Investment Cooperation to buy more patrol boats and equipment, train professionals, build a transnational alarm system and set up an effective transnational anti-crime mechanism.

Equally important for the four countries is clearing their respective patrol zones and joint patrol zones, and signing extradition treaties to combat international criminals. Besides, they should set up "sentry boxes" every 20 km along the Mekong so that whenever a security incident happens, they can respond immediately with full force.

Two, the four countries should use the killings of Chinese crew members as a turning point in their anti-pirate campaign in crime-prone areas, especially the Golden Triangle, through transnational coordination, undercover investigation and offering of large rewards.

Three, police from each of the four countries should organize self-defense courses for crew members plying the Mekong on a regular basis. The courses should include combat training, swimming and survival skills in the wild. Moreover, the crew members should be given rescue, defense and communications equipment, and, if possible, large and small cargo ships should navigate the Mekong waters in convoys.

And last, the four countries should realize that shortage of food and an ailing economy force people to traffic narcotics, hijack ships and engage in other criminal activities for survival. Therefore, to eliminate potential danger from the Mekong waterway, the four countries should take steps to alleviate poverty in the coastal areas by improving local people's livelihoods and enabling them to lead a decent life through legal means.

The author is a research scholar in Southeast Asian studies at China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations.

(China Daily 10/20/2011 page9)
 

adeptitus

Captain
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Type 529 Patrol Boat with 2 x twin 23mm manually operated turrets

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Somehow I think the PRC will have to foot the bill for Laos and Cambodia on this one. Thailand would feel "obligated' to contribute.
 

delft

Brigadier
The long term solution is to build roads and towns in the area to develop it economically. There is already the river to support that development.
Of course developing areas near borders is always difficult. You even see countries developing transport routes to the towns and villages near their borders and abandon at the same time routes crossing those borders. Railway routes between the Netherlands and Belgium resp. Germany were abandoned after the formation of the EU. So the development of those border areas near the Mekong need special political supervision, of the right kind, to get of the ground. And of course China will have to foot most of the bills.
 
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plawolf

Lieutenant General
Latest report in the Economist mag has a different version of events.

According to the Economists, the soldiers are claiming that they found the bodies and bags of meph and are denying any wrongdoing.

How do you say 'patsy' in Thai?
 
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