Turkey Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

Perhaps an interesting coincidence but today I watched a documentary about the development of the YF-23. The max speed of the MMU is given as mach 1.8, the same number as the YF-23, at least officially. It went much faster than that. I believe the same is for the MMU when it gets the right engines.

I see some similarities of the MMU with the YF-23 and Su-57.

sequ said:

Don't be a smart ass. There are 3 members including me who have been actively posting on this thread. But even with the 3 of us we haven't posted everything about the Turkish MIC because it is so vast. I got other things to do you know?

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You are acting like a jerk. Nobody asked you to answer in the first place.

sequ said:

That's why I said google it because you'll come across other sites and forums that I can't post here because of the rules.

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I don't know any rules in this forum that forbids posting reliable and verifiable information. If the information are classified, nobody is forcing you to reveal, not this forum. Many of the information that I asked for are quite open in case of China and USA that we got from research papers that are posted in this forum with translations, I did many of them. If you have something to share with us, we would appreciate and it will earn you creditability. If you can not share or have nothing to share, that is fine, but nobody need you to tell how to use internet searching.

taxiya said:

You are acting like a jerk. Nobody asked you to answer in the first place.


I don't know any rules in this forum that forbids posting reliable and verifiable information. If the information are classified, nobody is forcing you to reveal, not this forum. Many of the information that I asked for are quite open in case of China and USA that we got from research papers that are posted in this forum with translations, I did many of them. If you have something to share with us, we would appreciate and it will earn you creditability. If you can not share or has nothing to share, that is fine, but nobody need you to tell how to use internet searching.

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I'm not talking about classified stuff, I can't link other forums in here. On the ignore list you go!

As far as I can see, the horizontal stabilizers of the TF-X (ie the rear wings) are not attached to the side as in the F-22, but from the rear, just like the F-35 and Su-57. I think it's an interesting detail, I'm looking forward to the final version.

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J-20 compared to Kizilelma

sequ said:

J-20 compared to Kizilelma

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Kızılelma is truly a monster in its class when it comes to size. Which explains the comparatively long 500 nm range. The thing probably also has enough space for at least 4 BVRAAMs.

But the thing that took most of my attention is how almost the same size the canards really are.

CasualObserver said:

Kızılelma is truly a monster in its class when it comes to size. Which explains the comparatively long 500 nm range. The thing probably also has enough space for at least 4 BVRAAMs.

But the thing that took most of my attention is how almost the same size the canards really are.

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Long coupled canard plane form does stretch the airframe length compared with conventional layout. More room for fuel/potentially larger room for weapons bay as well as superior trans/supersonic performance. Latter of which is why it is paramount that Kizilelma gets updated engines asap. A significant portion of the flight envelope may remain untapped until that happens.

One thing I also wonder is the size of the radome. It appears at least F-16 sized just based on eye-balling. There is definitely potential for a monster radar.

siegecrossbow said:

Long coupled canard plane form does stretch the airframe length compared with conventional layout. More room for fuel/potentially larger room for weapons bay as well as superior trans/supersonic performance. Latter of which is why it is paramount that Kizilelma gets updated engines asap. A significant portion of the flight envelope may remain untapped until that happens.

One thing I also wonder is the size of the radome. It appears at least F-16 sized just based on eye-balling. There is definitely potential for a monster radar.

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It's clearly light fighter sized... I could see UAV like these replacing light fighter short range air interdiction role.

Kızılelma looks to me like an impressive technical achievement but will likely be pointless in real use. You are telling me you need a stealth fighter aircraft seemingly designed for air to air combat with AESA radar and air to air missiles etc. But then you make it remote controlled with a long distance operator? That is pretty much pointless. And it is one reason why the US Navy basically stopped major investment into things like this. Such systems will fail against peer opponents which can deny your use of communications. There is also no way the radar on this aircraft will outperform that of one in a heavy fighter. It does not even have the power supply to power one. The powerplant has 1/8th of the power of the powerplant in a heavy fighter. If I was designing a system of UCAVs I would do something completely different from this.

Then you chide the Japanese engine industry. But the thing is what TAI does in Turkey is little different from IHI Corporation in Japan license assembling engines for the Mitsubishi F-15J and F-2. And that engine you mentioned TAI is doing, which they have not even put into production yet that I can see at least, compare that with the F7 turbofan that IHI Corporation made for the Kawasaki P-1 and actually is in service...

sunnymaxi said:

just saw on twitter. some reliable Turkish accounts posted this

Turkish Minister says Turkiye has acquired the required technology to produce engines for the TFX up to 35,000 lbf each. means partnership with RR ?

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RR doesnt even have high thrust turbofan in their pipeline......it's not that easy you know....