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@schrage musik I know why you are angry. I too was expecting a 380m long behemoth behemoth by 2030, not a puny 285m cutter.
Thorium reactor powered 380m SUPERduperCarrier which will be in service in 2030 of the new OTTOMAN NAVY:*
Will carry 6th gen hypersonic fighter with quantumradar with man-machine CYBORG interface augmented with GAI. *
*Will easily be paid by $5 trillion GDP PPP by 2030 (because 2030 is the new 2023)
@Deino Eat your heart out!
Hisar took a long time to be developed while Siper's development was relatively quick. They now have 2 Siper and 5 Hisar batteries in service.
Production rate currently seems to be 1 Siper and 2 Hisar batteries a year IMO. This will double with the induction of the new Ogulbey tech base in the future.
No, it is because I don't like this carrier program at all. IMO it is a collosal waste of funding and I'd rather they put these resources into other programs. e.g. develop a larger frigate with 64 VLS cells and a larger variant of the STM-500 submarine. Then buy at least 12 of each instead of the carrier.
My rationale behind this is that the carrier cannot be expected to remain undetected in the Mediterranean sea where maritime patrol aircraft or AEW&C planes could track it even from coastal or inland airspace. And it cannot even be expected to remain in the black sea, aegean or red seas during a conflict. So what is the point of this ship when Turkey doesn't even have enough naval vessels to achieve sea control over its surrounding seas yet?
If they instead procured the 24 frigates and submarines, it would add a minimum of 12x64 = 768 VLS cells, plus 96-192 SSM tubes (8x12=96 or 16x12=192) on the ships and another 100 or so sub launch tubes. This is a serious land strike capability. And 12 frigates can provide a more survivable and wider fleet air defence cover than a single token carrier.
So yes, i'm kinda disappointed they are moving forward with the carrier because it means funding will not go to other programs that I was hoping to see in the future.
I will add that if flattop capability is required then developing a LHD with EMALS that is around 30-40k tons like a smaller 076 type platform would be sufficient for power projection. You could buy 2-3 of these for the cost of a single carrier. However, what has been revealed about the design of the turkish carrier untill now doesn't seem to suggest such a design is in the works.
Such a frigate might be too much or too little for the roles the TN wants to play. Corvettes and (light) Frigates for the Black Sea and Med, destroyers for carrier escort to beyond the Med. the STM-500 is only suited for the Aegean and Black Sea, but with the dwindling Russian Black Sea Fleet, it's become less needed.
Carriers aren't only usefull in a (full scale) war. They are to show the flag, show of force, diplomacy etc etc.
That token carrier will be escorted by 96 VLS destroyers. 4 will be build but as we can see with the I-class FFG, more will be build.
I'm curious to what else you want to see developed.
EMALS in the short/medium term is a bit too much for the Turkish industry. Perhaps in the future when they'll build a CVN.
8 TF-2000 are certain iirc
Details of the National Aircraft Carrier have emerged! At the forum held at the Istanbul Shipyard as part of TEKNOFEST Blue Homeland, Navy personnel involved in the project explained the technical capabilities of the aircraft carrier:
10,000 nautical mile range: “Our national aircraft carrier will be able to travel to New York and return without refueling.”
40 MW electrical power: Energy capacity equivalent to 3,000 households.
ÇAFRAD radar: 750 km range, to be integrated into the ship.
32-cell national Vertical Launch System: Air defense + offensive capabilities.
Electronic warfare and sonar systems: Features not found in many aircraft carriers worldwide.
Survivability concept: Low radar signature, explosion-resistant design.
All in all, a Turkish QE class carrier with better sensors and defensive capabilities.
10,000 nautical mile range: “Our national aircraft carrier will be able to travel to New York and return without refueling.”
40 MW electrical power: Energy capacity equivalent to 3,000 households.
ÇAFRAD radar: 750 km range, to be integrated into the ship.
32-cell national Vertical Launch System: Air defense + offensive capabilities.
Electronic warfare and sonar systems: Features not found in many aircraft carriers worldwide.
Survivability concept: Low radar signature, explosion-resistant design.
All in all, a Turkish QE class carrier with better sensors and defensive capabilities.
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