While the most important and necessary projects are Hürjet and KAAN, I am not sure how necessary Hürkuş-2 is.
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TAI General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu:
- The first delivery of the Gökbey helicopter will be made to the Gendarmerie in August.
- We took steps to sell Aksungur UAV to countries such as the USA.
- We started the production of 17 Hürjet for the air force.
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- The first delivery of the Gökbey helicopter will be made to the Gendarmerie in August.
- We took steps to sell Aksungur UAV to countries such as the USA.
- We started the production of 17 Hürjet for the air force.
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The next two Kaan prototypes are being prepared but unfortunately there are issues ...
Looks like the Turks are trying to get the following from the US:
- 40 new Block 70 +ammo and equipment
- 29 upgrade kits for Block 70
- Approval to start Özgur modernization
- F110 domestic manufacturing/assembly for F-16 and/or Kaan
- F404 domestic manufacturing/assembly for Hürjet
They are going to fit all of this into a single packaged deal.
Also more and more noise indicating Typhoon deal is about to come.
- 40 new Block 70 +ammo and equipment
- 29 upgrade kits for Block 70
- Approval to start Özgur modernization
- F110 domestic manufacturing/assembly for F-16 and/or Kaan
- F404 domestic manufacturing/assembly for Hürjet
They are going to fit all of this into a single packaged deal.
Also more and more noise indicating Typhoon deal is about to come.
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Called it. Starting the TF6000/10000 was a big mistake when they knew the AI-322F was coming. They should have started a medium thrust turbofan engine for the Hurjet and other UAVs. Hundreds with potentially up to a thousand of such an engine would be needed for various purposes but they still hoped on the US for it. Meanwhile Baykar gets acces to IP engines with 4 other designs on paper waiting to be exploited (AI-322-28F/AI-322-30F/AI-322-40/AI-9500F) for various drones including AWACS/EW/ELINT etc.
Mehmet Demiroğlu:
“The engine is an important part. The engines of both HÜRJET and KAAN are currently waiting at the American congress or at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to go to the congress. We don't think there will be much of a problem right now. It's a process. It can take a little longer sometimes. But we hope that the optimistic atmosphere in the F-16 will continue. What happens if not? We will take care of ourselves, what can we do, we are not going to stop here. We will find a solution somehow. We will either find a new engine or we will build one ourselves. We're already doing it for KAAN, but we'll start for HÜRJET as well, so what should we do? "I hope we won't go there, we don't have any intention or desire to do so, but if we do, we are not going to leave this program here."
Mehmet Demiroğlu:
“The engine is an important part. The engines of both HÜRJET and KAAN are currently waiting at the American congress or at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to go to the congress. We don't think there will be much of a problem right now. It's a process. It can take a little longer sometimes. But we hope that the optimistic atmosphere in the F-16 will continue. What happens if not? We will take care of ourselves, what can we do, we are not going to stop here. We will find a solution somehow. We will either find a new engine or we will build one ourselves. We're already doing it for KAAN, but we'll start for HÜRJET as well, so what should we do? "I hope we won't go there, we don't have any intention or desire to do so, but if we do, we are not going to leave this program here."
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So we may easily end up having only current f16s well into 2030s. Still having this as a possibility is insane. I don't understand how the force is OK with such situation with all the maybes and ifs when we are surrounded with wars all around.
- Kaan: 2030s delivery if US agrees on the engine
- Eurofighter: They were saying production line was full until 2028 before Saudis recent order. So at least 2030 here and that is if Germany agrees to sell (this is the very same Germany that has not been selling tank engines for 5 years now)
- F35: dream
- Ozgur: US may not approve
This situation is wearing me out.
- Kaan: 2030s delivery if US agrees on the engine
- Eurofighter: They were saying production line was full until 2028 before Saudis recent order. So at least 2030 here and that is if Germany agrees to sell (this is the very same Germany that has not been selling tank engines for 5 years now)
- F35: dream
- Ozgur: US may not approve
This situation is wearing me out.
Thank God they got Baykar that is actually planning sufficiently ahead.
What gets me the most is they have failed to have strategic autonomy within NATO like the French have, even 50 years after the Cyprus operation which started the whole 'self-sufficiency' hype.
Can they try to get Russian or Chinese fighters/engines as an interim solution? or are they simply too different of a system for them to bother?
Oh and I shouldn't forget the various turboshafts and turboprops designs both physically and existing on paper.
The spirit of IP will continue through Baykar. There is a need for it in Turkiye and perhaps even in the world and knowing Baykar they'll jump right in it. We've seen the first steps with the Akinci and Kizilelma engines and indigenous designed TB-2 engine going to be built in the country.
TEI is going to be left with very little room to manoeuvre thanks to their own shortsightedness.
The Hürjet awaits the AI-9500F, a larger Anka-3 (actually able to carry a Mk84/4 Tolun/1 SOM internally) awaits the AI-6500 etc etc. A golden opportunity for both IP and Baykar.
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