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ahmettasci said:

He probably justifies himself thinking the magazine is on public domain in addition to the paid one. Of course he should have cited you if he is using your screenshot directly. I don't understand such behavior but we are a rightful albeit small minority it seems. At least he stopped using here. They (aktrolls) have quite a lot of power in SPF for some reason

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I've known him for sometime and put him several times on ignore and subsequently unignored. But this time he stays on ignore as he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes. Also he's far from an "aktroll" but that a different matter altogether.

Apparently, the whole F-16 Özgur project can be stopped if the US doesn't give its approval:



One doesn't 'buy' US fighters, one merely leases it. With the F-35 the US has even more options to stop a buyer from using it.

> Buy everything from the greatest ally, even metal mess plates
> Invades Cyprus because reasons
> Gets embargoed by its greatest ally
>"Huff Puff we gonna build weapons ourselves!"
> Fast Forward 50 years: "Please america allow us to upgrade the aircraft we've bought from you and paid for even after we said we're gonna build our own stuff.... Please?"

Fucking hell this whole situation is so pathetic...

I just read that "Titanium" issues are forging and casting issues, not related to TUSAŞ

sequ said:

Now seeing this and the fact that Baykar is going to produce these engines inhouse, the TF6000/10000 should've never been designed. Instead an F404 equivalent is much more useful for the Turkish defence industry.

A Turkish F404 equivalent should've been build with 3 major thrust options with or without afterburner:

1. Variant with 12000/18000lbf thrust for trainers such as Hurjet
2. Variant with 13000/20000lbf thrust for fighters and UCAV's
3. same as 2 but with F414 thrust levels, 14000/220000 lbf

Designing the engine in such a way that they all have the same outer and inner dimensions and using the same materials.

The difference in thrust should be met by designing the compressor blades in such a way that they have the corresponding pressure ratio and efficiency for their thrust levels. Also a corresponding rise in combustion temperature. All three variants using the same TB material they should aim for engine #1 having no TBO during the engine lifespan for the hot-parts, having 1 overhaul for engine #2 and 2 overhauls for #3.

These three variants could also be converted easily into a higher or lower thrust variant by swapping out the fan and compressor section for a more or less efficient one and to update the FADEC for an increase or decrease in combustion temperature.

The downside is they would've to engineer the engine with the thrust of #3 in mind, meaning a slightly over-engineered engine for thrust levels #1 and #2, e.g. a higher weight. At 1100kg/2420lbs standard weight, engine #1 has a TWR of 7.4, engine #2 TWR of 8.2 and engine #3 a TWR of 9.

If the F404 grew from 16000lbf to 22000lbf in the same outer dimension, they could develop the above with this growth in mind from the onset.

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To continue from where I left, starting the design of the TF6000/10000 might be the stupidest decision made by Demir and Aksit. Its design started somewhere in 2020 while BlackSeaShield JV was established in July 2019.

They should've seen it coming and should've started a medium thrust turbofan engine. This way they could fly the Hürjet with it, made the Anka-3 an actual stealth bomber capable of carrying Mk84's and SOM-J's internally instead of being this horrible compromise with hardpoints which totally defeats it VLO requirement. Now the Anka-3 needs two TF6000 or AI-322 engines to achieve this instead of just one indigenous F404 equivalent.

This redundant mess could've been avoided. But here they are with two engines in the same thrust category while the Hürjet, which is going to be build in the hundreds plus whatever larger proper VLO Anka-3 needs, and fighter drone, will fly with a 40 year old engine design which needs a whole amount of begging from the US to actually get it.

And Aksit has the audacity to say that the the TF6000 is so versatile it could be used for various purposes. That it just needs 4 of it to power a FAC (or just two F404 equivalents which needs less transmissions, thus more reliable and cheaper to maintain), it could be turned into a 3500-4000hp turboshaft (which is too powerful for a 10-12 ton helicopter - which is perfect for both land and naval use seeing are they are going to pump out a lot of corvettes, frigates and such plus the fact they need to beg the US to extend the T-70 license which is going to expire this year - or too weak for a Chinook or Super Stallion equivalent).

An indigenous F404 equivalent and a front driven 3000hp turboshaft specifically designed for the T925/929 combo would be a much better plan instead of this redundant TF6k/AI-322 combo with Soviet era reardriven turboshafts.

Don't be surprised when Baykar also gets the design for the AI-9500F in their pockets, finishing the humiliation of TAI/TEI.

Bear in mind, the TF6000/10000 is state funded (waste of taxpayer money) while BlackSeaShield JV is all private...

Sadly, this kind of pettiness is why I've been staying away from this thread.

I've been keeping my distance from your snarkiness just so that the thread doesn't get derailed, but I'm going to answer you just once for clarity's sake.

ahmettasci said:

He probably justifies himself thinking the magazine is on public domain in addition to the paid one. Of course he should have cited you if he is using your screenshot directly. I don't understand such behavior but we are a rightful albeit small minority it seems. At least he stopped using here. They (aktrolls) have quite a lot of power in SPF for some reason

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Y'know, even after you've insulted me a couple of times on this forum, I've tried to ignore it, go my own way and be understanding. But this is beyond common boundaries and if you keep behaving like this, you can jog off to wherever you've come from. You're either a child for real or a grown up still acting like a child.

Firstly, @sequ and I have a history of ignoring each other out of differing opinions and then making up; and we've been doing this since before you came to this forum. I do respect him and he doesn't seem to hate me either but you don't get to meddle in someone else's business.

Secondly, This is indeed a small circle and members of this group quote each other all the time; I know that I've quoted others and others have also quoted me in return. I usually do mention it when I quote others but demanding someone else to do it for each time they've done it is something else.

I do it as a common courtesy all the time, but if you're literally demanding it and acting like a man-child seeking attention, I'm not going to boost your ego unless you literally have a copyright claim.

I've been dwelling these forums for a long time, this is the way this's been done till now in the general community and nobody gets to claim something just for seeing it before someone else has. Otherwise nobody gets the original claim and I find accusing someone of stealing just for sharing it with others to be a really petty argument.

ahmettasci said:

They (aktrolls) have quite a lot of power in SPF for some reason

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Ohh boy. Accusing someone of being something they're not XD You see, badmouthing someone you don't know just shows what kind of a person you really are.

As far as I can see, just with this post you're already breaking a couple of rules from the Rules of Behaviour:

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• Post any personal attacks, political or ideological propaganda, or commercial advertisements better know as spam.
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• Post or take part in meaningless arguments and inappropriate provocation of members.
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sequ said:

I've known him for sometime and put him several times on ignore and subsequently unignored. But this time he stays on ignore as he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes. Also he's far from an "aktroll" but that a different matter altogether.

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Likewise, my friend...


Now, everybody deletes their off topic posts and we can go our seperate ways. Otherwise, if the mods are actually competent and this petty behaviour keeps happening over and over again, everybody gets banned. (actually I might use some free time)

CasualObserver said:

Sadly, this kind of pettiness is why I've been staying away from this thread.

I've been keeping my distance from your snarkiness just so that the thread doesn't get derailed, but I'm going to answer you just once for clarity's sake.


Y'know, even after you've insulted me a couple of times on this forum, I've tried to ignore it, go my own way and be understanding. But this is beyond common boundaries and if you keep behaving like this, you can jog off to wherever you've come from. You're either a child for real or a grown up still acting like a child.

Firstly, @sequ and I have a history of ignoring each other out of differing opinions and then making up; and we've been doing this since before you came to this forum. I do respect him and he doesn't seem to hate me either but you don't get to meddle in someone else's business.

Secondly, This is indeed a small circle and members of this group quote each other all the time; I know that I've quoted others and others have also quoted me in return. I usually do mention it when I quote others but demanding someone else to do it for each time they've done it is something else.

I do it as a common courtesy all the time, but if you're literally demanding it and acting like a man-child seeking attention, I'm not going to boost your ego unless you literally have a copyright claim.

I've been dwelling these forums for a long time, this is the way this's been done till now in the general community and nobody gets to claim something just for seeing it before someone else has. Otherwise nobody gets the original claim and I find accusing someone of stealing just for sharing it with others to be a really petty argument.


Ohh boy. Accusing someone of being something they're not XD You see, badmouthing someone you don't know just shows what kind of a person you really are.

As far as I can see, just with this post you're already breaking a couple of rules from the Rules of Behaviour:




Likewise, my friend...


Now, everybody deletes their off topic posts and we can go our seperate ways. Otherwise, if the mods are actually competent and this petty behaviour keeps happening over and over again, everybody gets banned. (actually I might use some free time)

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Still not knowing the difference between paid/selfmade content and freely available one...

You're either:

1. Too dumb to put my stuff which I've paid for, through paint or some other program and change the filename so I can't argue you stole it from me.
2. You don't give a damn about ownership.
3. Doing it on purpose to troll.

You see, this is why I'm now forced to go "FuckLymann2003mothertodeath" on you to protect my content which I've paid for/created myself.

Please stay away and don't come back. Whatever you are accusing others of, especially the 'snarky' comment is just a projection of yourself. One can take a look at your posting history and see the snarkiness. It's all arrogant and nasty attitude without you actually being right or contributing anything meaningful.

CasualObserver said:

Sadly, this kind of pettiness is why I've been staying away from this thread.

I've been keeping my distance from your snarkiness just so that the thread doesn't get derailed, but I'm going to answer you just once for clarity's sake.


Y'know, even after you've insulted me a couple of times on this forum, I've tried to ignore it, go my own way and be understanding. But this is beyond common boundaries and if you keep behaving like this, you can jog off to wherever you've come from. You're either a child for real or a grown up still acting like a child.

Firstly, @sequ and I have a history of ignoring each other out of differing opinions and then making up; and we've been doing this since before you came to this forum. I do respect him and he doesn't seem to hate me either but you don't get to meddle in someone else's business.

Secondly, This is indeed a small circle and members of this group quote each other all the time; I know that I've quoted others and others have also quoted me in return. I usually do mention it when I quote others but demanding someone else to do it for each time they've done it is something else.

I do it as a common courtesy all the time, but if you're literally demanding it and acting like a man-child seeking attention, I'm not going to boost your ego unless you literally have a copyright claim.

I've been dwelling these forums for a long time, this is the way this's been done till now in the general community and nobody gets to claim something just for seeing it before someone else has. Otherwise nobody gets the original claim and I find accusing someone of stealing just for sharing it with others to be a really petty argument.


Ohh boy. Accusing someone of being something they're not XD You see, badmouthing someone you don't know just shows what kind of a person you really are.

As far as I can see, just with this post you're already breaking a couple of rules from the Rules of Behaviour:




Likewise, my friend...


Now, everybody deletes their off topic posts and we can go our seperate ways. Otherwise, if the mods are actually competent and this petty behaviour keeps happening over and over again, everybody gets banned. (actually I might use some free time)

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You should derail the topic further from your actions. Everyone is to blame except you I guess

I thought Hurkus 2 was supposed to fly soon but it seems we have to wait until 2025


Edit: OK, that's why:

We have been fooled.