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Virtup said:

Can they try to get Russian or Chinese fighters/engines as an interim solution? or are they simply too different of a system for them to bother?

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It would be against NATO. We have bigger enemies within NATO so it would not be wise politically to risk being part of NATO. However still wiser than leaving F-35 for S400.

It is very strange that Turkey has not made a full-fledged technology transfer with Motor Sich since 2020.
We had very good collaborations, but none of them were enough.

Before the Russian invasion, we could bring critical systems of Motor Sich production facilities in Ukraine to Turkey in exchange of some critical military systems.
Even though their technology is not enough for KAAN, We could have Hürjet and Anka 3 now fly with domestic jet engines

Ada class to be modernized very soon:

BM100:

Baykar Makina 100
or
Baykar Motors 100

We'll probably see it at the next Teknofest

ahmettasci said:

So we may easily end up having only current f16s well into 2030s. Still having this as a possibility is insane. I don't understand how the force is OK with such situation with all the maybes and ifs when we are surrounded with wars all around.

- Kaan: 2030s delivery if US agrees on the engine
- Eurofighter: They were saying production line was full until 2028 before Saudis recent order. So at least 2030 here and that is if Germany agrees to sell (this is the very same Germany that has not been selling tank engines for 5 years now)
- F35: dream
- Ozgur: US may not approve
This situation is wearing me out.

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However if you think of situation in 2034-2035, it looks very clear just if US agrees. Which we will see this August or September. They are packing all of the things into a single package (F404, F110, T-70, Özgür, F-16V).

Lets see what happens if US agrees: (by 2035)

-assuming 20 Block 10s by 2030-

I have some dates and some other schedules, cant share them so take these as crude estimates.

We would have 20 Blok-10s,
3 years of Blok-20 production,
2 years of Blok-30 production.

F-16:
40 new F-16 Block 70s
29 F-16V (upgraded from Block 50+)
≈185 F-16 Özgür-2

If Germany agrees:
40 EF Tr5 (or the latest Tranche available at the time)
20 Tr1(could be upgraded by Turkey like Özgür, as they will be given with full access)

Kızılelma: (all according to Haluk Bayraktar, lets add a delay of 1 year)

12 Kızılelma in 2025
24 Kızılelma in 2026
48 in 2027 and every year until 2035
>that equals 420 Kızılelma, we dont know how many TurAF would buy. But lets say 1/3 which is 140

Anka-3:
I am going to assume 6 per year starting in 2026,
that would be 54 Anka-3's similar with KE we dont know how many would be in TurAF, so lets take 2/3 of it, 36 Anka-3



F-35 will remain a dream as long as we stay in Syria, EastMed and Iraq. Only way we would see F-35 is if we go to war against Iran or smt

Also Greek F-35s will be operational in 2034

Trisolaran said:

It is very strange that Turkey has not made a full-fledged technology transfer with Motor Sich since 2020.
We had very good collaborations, but none of them were enough.

Before the Russian invasion, we could bring critical systems of Motor Sich production facilities in Ukraine to Turkey in exchange of some critical military systems.
Even though their technology is not enough for KAAN, We could have Hürjet and Anka 3 now fly with domestic jet engines

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A lot of the Ukrainian engine technology going back from before 2014 in fact used Russian made engine components. Hot part casting was often made in Russia at UMPO for example. This was the case for the D-436 engine among others.

gelgoog said:

A lot of the Ukrainian engine technology going back from before 2014 in fact used Russian made engine components. Hot part casting was often made in Russia at UMPO for example. This was the case for the D-436 engine among others.

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It is true that they cannot produce some engines anymore, but since they can export AI-322 and AI-25 type engines to Türkiye, that shows they are not very dependent on Russia.

The Ukrainians licensed Al-25 engine production to China for the JL-8 trainer aircraft.
They seem to not license their latest technology anymore. But who knows given their current economic situation they might just license everything to Turkey. I would say this is a good chance for Turkey to get a lot of technologies they currently lack.

For example the Al-450, MS-500V, Al-222, or the Al-322 engines.
Since Turkey already seems to have its own helicopter engines they probably would not need the Ukrainian ones.
I am kind of surprised that Turkey hasn't tried buying a license for Ukrainian marine gas turbines as well. Instead of having to import gas turbines for the naval program.

gelgoog said:

The Ukrainians licensed Al-25 engine production to China for the JL-8 trainer aircraft.
They seem to not license their latest technology anymore. But who knows given their current economic situation they might just license everything to Turkey. I would say this is a good chance for Turkey to get a lot of technologies they currently lack.

For example the Al-450, MS-500V, Al-222, or the Al-322 engines.
Since Turkey already seems to have its own helicopter engines they probably would not need the Ukrainian ones.
I am kind of surprised that Turkey hasn't tried buying a license for Ukrainian marine gas turbines as well. Instead of having to import gas turbines for the naval program.

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After 2014, Ukrainians even helped North Korea with ballistic missiles. There is nothing we cannot get from them in exchange for certain economic and technological assistance..

gelgoog said:

I am kind of surprised that Turkey hasn't tried buying a license for Ukrainian marine gas turbines as well. Instead of having to import gas turbines for the naval program.

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They tried but they acted arrogantly. The Russian invasion finally beat some sense into them.