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AndrewS

Brigadier
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Current state of CA land forces by TMB2021:

AzerbaijanTurkmenistanUzbekistanKazakhstantotal
tank bde/rgt-2114
mech bde/rgt4811326
inf bde1911-21
air bde--246
MBT4406503403501780
IFV20010302706002100
APC4808702603401950
40km MLRS60130100100390
90km MLRS606-672
SP ART1004080240460
ART2304202001501000

57 brigades and regiments, ~1800 tanks, ~4000 personnel carriers, ~1500 artillery pieces. Yet at the same time they have ~150 obsolete fighters combined. It's clear what is missing in the picture.

Currently Russia can't muster sufficient force to counter the above but they would have air supremacy that would prove disruptive and destructive. Any effective counter-measure - as the one I suggested earlier - will forever alter the balance of power in the region. Russia doesn't have enough airframes or resources to sustain the fleet and train the pilots to counter air power projection in three theaters - Europe, Central Asia and Pacific. It never had enough to field little more than symbolic (less than 140 fighters) presence in the Far East and the Central Military District has only two regiments (48) of MiG-31s and one regiment (36) of Su-34s as well as six regiments of S-400.

The consequence of losing ability to project power in CA are dire for Russia. Not only is the interior of the country threatened but the low density of transport infrastructure threatens to sever the regions east of Urals from the core of the country (Moscow/Volga).

This is a reduced image of 2010-2030 infrastructure project - blue is waterways, yellow/green and pink are railways and roads.
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The distances involved here will benefit whoever has long-range drones with sufficient payload to disrupt transit. Consider that the distance from Samara (blue dot at Volga) to Chelabinsk (blue dot east of Urals) is ~850km. Similar distance exists between Samara and Voronezh (dot) or Samara and Moscow (dot) where some of air force from western military districts is based. Those distances combined are at the maximum range of Russian fighters. There is no easy way to continuously maintain air cover. Not even with aerial refueling which Russia utterly lacks. Russia has no strategic depth against an attack from Central Asia because it developed its infrastructure as strategic depth against attack from the north.

Persistent surveillance and presence is key and in case of conflict involving such unmanned systems Russia would have to physically convoy all transit east of Urals to avoid interdiction. Aerial transit doesn't have the capacity and it too would be threatened. E.g. Akinci cruises at 300km/h but the missile will be fast enough to shoot down a transport aircraft flying at twice that speed.

This is effectively a siege that can end in only one way - the regions under siege will redirect resource flows to other areas and that will inevitably fracture the federative system in an area containing 1/3 of Russia's GDP and 1/4 of population. Even if Russian authority would survive it would be symbolic afterward.

WW2 in the Pacific was won by USN strangling IJN logistics. Any war in Siberia will be won in the same manner.

Let's not forget that if China wanted to weaken Russia it would not do so directly. Supporting Turkey in that effort would be ideal because it would not only weaken Russia but also provide Turkey with incentives to distance itself from the US.

And no, nukes don't matter because what Ukraine showed is that you can shoot at targets in Russia even if you don't have nukes. Russia's entire pillar of deterrence that it so carefully constructed after 1991, mostly with eyes on the US, has been invalidated by actors below threshold of nuclear escalation. Which goes to show many other things related to nuclear blackmail and doctrine and fearmongering but this is not the place to discuss it.

And with that the elaboration of the ideas is complete. We will see if any of my predictions come through or if it was just a glitch in the system. Take care.

As long as Russia is locked in a competition with the USA over Ukraine, it is not in China's interest to see a weakened Russia.

And Ukraine is likely to end up as a frozen conflict or cold/hot peace for at least another decade.

China also sees Central Asia as a land route for China to reach Russia and also Iran and the rest of the Middle East.

Following from this logic, it is in the interests of both China and Russia to see Kazakhstan and the rest of Central Asia as neutral states at a minimum. Therefore both China and Russia will work against any Turkish efforts to cause trouble in Central Asia.

And thinking about it, Iran will also see any Turkish efforts in Central Asia to weaken Russia as a threat. So you've got to throw Iranian influence into the mix as well.

So simply put, Turkey doesn't have the economic, military or cultural influence to do what you are proposing.

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And let's look at Kazakhstan as an example, as it is key.

Over half of its imports and exports go to Russia or China. Why would they impoverish themselves by acting as a Turkish satrap and attacking Russia? Also note that the average person in Kazakhstan is roughly as wealthy as in Turkey.

Geographically, Russia and China are far closer to Kazakhstan's centres of population and industry, than they are to Turkey. Kazakhstan also faces the same problem that its supply lines to Turkey are few, thin, long and therefore extremely vulnerable to attack
 

aahyan

Senior Member
Registered Member
New details on the export of MİLGEM warships to Malaysia

Within the scope of the LMS Batch II Program, Malaysia is preparing to procure 3 MİLGEM ADA Class Corvettes from Turkey in the first stage and 5 MİLGEM ADA Class Corvettes in the final stage. The contract could reportedly be signed in the first half of this year.

Under the Coastal Task Ship (LMS) Batch II Procurement Program, Malaysia will procure 3 corvettes in the first stage. At a time when Malaysia is evaluating MİLGEM ADA Class Corvettes for the LMS Batch II Program, STM signed a goodwill agreement with the Technology Depository Agency Berhad (Malaysia-TDA) in May 2023, including technology transfer in the field of military maritime.

According to Defense Security Asia; STM is expected to be selected as the 'prime contractor' in the Royal Malaysian Navy's LMS Batch II Program. The project, in which 3 Coastal Duty Ships will be procured with a budget of more than 400 million dollars in the first stage, is carried out through a 'State-to-Government (G2G) Agreement'.

The signing of the contract for the construction of 3 LMS Batch II vessels and the 13th anniversary of the contract. A decision is expected to be made to build 5 more ships during the Malaysian Plan (2026-2030). Thus, by 2030, the Malaysian Navy will have 8 Coastal Duty Ships based on the MİLGEM ADA Class Corvette design.

 

sequ

Major
Registered Member
Türkiye decided to join the European Sky Shield Initiative

According to German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius, Turkey and Greece will officially join the German-led missile defense project, increasing the number of members of the European Sky Shield Initiative to 21.

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sequ

Major
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Türkiye decided to join the European Sky Shield Initiative

According to German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius, Turkey and Greece will officially join the German-led missile defense project, increasing the number of members of the European Sky Shield Initiative to 21.

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Turkish MoD:

“This initiative, led by Germany, is an important step towards meeting NATO's requirements while ensuring the interoperability and integration of allies. As Turkey, we are ready to contribute to this initiative with our wide range of national resources. I would like to express my gratitude to Germany for its coordinating role in this important initiative. “We will be pleased to work with you in this initiative that serves the understanding of collective defense.”

 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
It is a retarded program. NASAMS is better than IRIS-T SLM. SAMP-T could replace Patriot with a European made missile system. And Arrow is just a straight out import from Israel.
 

sequ

Major
Registered Member
Ukrainian ambassador to Turkiye:

Ukrainian ambassador Bodnar/CNN TURK
- Bayraktar TB2 became a veteran of the Ukrainian war. He became very popular in Ukrainian society as a defender of Ukrainian lands Selçuk and Haluk BAYRAKTAR are also heroes of Ukraine
- I believe that KAAN can have the full potential to compete with F35 and F22 and this is the story of the future
- Ukrainian teams continue to work on the engine for Turkey's national combat aircraft, Kaan. Ukrainian teams are working and competing for the Kaan project
- 'Do you think Ukraine will buy Kaan in the future?' Bodnar's answer to the question: 'We will not only buy it, we will also use it. We also know where to use it.
 

sequ

Major
Registered Member
It is a retarded program. NASAMS is better than IRIS-T SLM. SAMP-T could replace Patriot with a European made missile system. And Arrow is just a straight out import from Israel.
Indeed, but its good for the Turks to have a foot in the door. They tried the SMAP/T way but it lead to nothing. I heard the French and Italians are angry at the initiative, so lots need to be resolved.

I believe that in the end, the the Germans will cave in to the the rest and discard the Patriot/Arrow combo. Time will tell.
 

Santamaria

Junior Member
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Ukrainian ambassador to Turkiye:

Ukrainian ambassador Bodnar/CNN TURK
- I believe that KAAN can have the full potential to compete with F35 and F22 and this is the story of the future
- Ukrainian teams continue to work on the engine for Turkey's national combat aircraft, Kaan. Ukrainian teams are working and competing for the Kaan project
- 'Do you think Ukraine will buy Kaan in the future?' Bodnar's answer to the question: 'We will not only buy it, we will also use it. We also know where to use it.
These Ukranians live in Narnia.
I was contacted years ago to work on KAAN on behalf of BAE.
They offered crazy high salaries. But the work was in Ankara, that is not so open and liveable as Istanbul.
Let me doubt that European engineers without experience in 5th generation aircraft, and without experience at the same level than Americans one in combat planes in general plus Turkish engineers without experience at all will be able to create a 5th generation aircraft that matches the US ones is delusional at best.

About Ukrainians engineers working in the engines is even more laughable. Ukraine didn’t manufacture combat plane engines even in times of the Soviet Union. They did mainly civil aircraft. And they didn’t develop nothing new in years, but somehow they are relevant for a 5th generation combat aircraft?
The last part, we know where we will use it. So you Ukraine plan to continue at work in 2028 when first KAAN it’s planned to start operation?
 
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