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schrage musik said:

wow you make the Chinese Navy look quite stupid there. Imagine them having to fight the USN and yet they have built some 44 054A/B frigates when they could have built.... 22 aircraft carriers instead !!!! or let's be generous and apply the other end of your estimate.... The Chinese navy could have built by now almost more 15 carriers. Add the 3 they have now, and it would be a navy with 18 aircraft carriers. And they had the 052Ds and 055s to escort them. Not even the USN would dare pick up a fight with them. They'd win without even having to fight. What kind of stupid planners do they have.

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Well, if you want to hear that, modern PLAN is indeed severely overbalanced - with obvious weakness at the top (carriers and nuclear subs). Partially it happened due to historical reasons(China changed from backyard to forefront almost immediately), part due to technical reasons (sufficiently good surface ships were achieved in 2000s, while SSNs only did it now, and carriers aren't there yet), part is simply abusing (surface) shipbuilding might.

But PLAN does employ build carriers(2 operational, 1 near trials, 1 soon to begin assembly), and is quite clearly waiting for a satisfactory level of one. Chinese fleets do have deck aviation at their core.

You're denying Turkiye wisdom of starting that first ship, and are tied to cycles of inherently remote land airpower with its own priorities.

TK3600 said:

Can Kaan be adapted for carrier use?

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Though question.

Perhaps, but at what cost? Better to design a dedicated carrier capable fighter.

If I could choose, a single engine stealth fighter build around the indigenous Kaan engine.

sequ said:

Though question.

Perhaps, but at what cost? Better to design a dedicated carrier capable fighter.

If I could choose, a single engine stealth fighter build around the indigenous Kaan engine.

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Would choose the same, I find the landing gear quite narrow on the Kaan for that task.

Atomicfrog said:

Would choose the same, I find the landing gear quite narrow on the Kaan for that task.

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As questionable as their plans are, the Navy's plan is to use drones as primary strike aircraft and control them via navalised Hürjets. We don't know what it'll look like, but the chief engineer has once said that the current design is able to take off from the ski jump with a payload of 1-2 tons of munitions. It should also be reminded that Hürjet is primarily a LIFT aircraft, with light combat as the secondary envisaged role. There are also serious doubts whether the US would keep supplying engines for armed Hürjets (including naval aircraft), hence many state the need to significantly redesign the aircraft, i.e. change the engine config from a single F404 to twin indigenous TF10000.



Honestly this whole situation reg. arming and/or navalising Hürjet reminds me a whole lot of Tejas and TEDBF. Though Turkey doesn't have any other option since every sensible source of fighter aircraft for Turkey either denies a sale or can't sell aircraft due to several political and military reasons.

6th Generation Fighter Plane Statement from SSB!

Defense Industry President Haluk Görgün:
"We will fly our 5th generation fighter jet, Kaan, very soon. Mass production will start in 2028.
"We have already started working on the 6th generation fighter jet with integrated artificial intelligence."

Defense Industry President Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün:

“A design project study for the aircraft carrier is starting. We decided to start this project. There is a very serious design office in our Naval Forces Command. There is serious talent in our STM company. "We evaluate that these results will come from here."

Atomicfrog said:

Would choose the same, I find the landing gear quite narrow on the Kaan for that task.

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Kaan is an F-15/F-22 size fighter jet. Sure, stealth and long range are nice to have capabilities but landing and routinely operating it on a CdG size AC might not be that sensible and be beyond what the Naval Aviation branch actually needs.

CasualObserver said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1745777076060185017

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Care to at least post a translated summary? Otherwise I see no relevance in this thread to post a muddy field!

sequ said:

6th Generation Fighter Plane Statement from SSB!

Defense Industry President Haluk Görgün:
"We will fly our 5th generation fighter jet, Kaan, very soon. Mass production will start in 2028.
"We have already started working on the 6th generation fighter jet with integrated artificial intelligence."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1745741583364792344

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sequ said:

Defense Industry President Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün:

“A design project study for the aircraft carrier is starting. We decided to start this project. There is a very serious design office in our Naval Forces Command. There is serious talent in our STM company. "We evaluate that these results will come from here."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1745781681422770403

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Really? I admire your enthusiasm and Turkey's achievements but with these claims we are slowly at best drifting into the world of "wishes" if not plain "propaganda"! To think Kaan would be in serial production in 2028 with the engine issue still not solved, to think with Kaan not even being done a 6th generation project could be feasible and finally a full sized nuclear super-carrier plus carrier battle group could be done technically and afforded is a different story!

As such, all such posts should be not presented as facts or done deals but with a lot of salt



And please don't get me wrong this is in no way meant as an insult of offence but as a request to be rationale ... China as one of the leading industries is just now building a super-carrier and not even a nuclear one, France and Great Britain are both struggling to keep their carriers operational - and nuclear ones are alone a budget worth - not looking at the technical and economic issues.

CasualObserver said:

As questionable as their plans are, the Navy's plan is to use drones as primary strike aircraft and control them via navalised Hürjets. We don't know what it'll look like, but the chief engineer has once said that the current design is able to take off from the ski jump with a payload of 1-2 tons of munitions. It should also be reminded that Hürjet is primarily a LIFT aircraft, with light combat as the secondary envisaged role. There are also serious doubts whether the US would keep supplying engines for armed Hürjets (including naval aircraft), hence many state the need to significantly redesign the aircraft, i.e. change the engine config from a single F404 to twin indigenous TF10000.

Honestly this whole situation reg. arming and/or navalising Hürjet reminds me a whole lot of Tejas and TEDBF. Though Turkey doesn't have any other option since every sensible source of fighter aircraft for Turkey either denies a sale or can't sell aircraft due to several political and military reasons.

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Putting all the money to build up engines technology before spending huge sums on airframes should be a better path forward but doesn't look good and is hard to sell.

Engines on aircraft projects are clearly the bottleneck. Building and designing airframes on hope that all will be going well on the engine side look alike the myriad of fighterjet projects in the fifties and sixties that have gone astray in the US and Russia. We clearly can take the TEJAS for example.