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CasualObserver

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Excerpt from "A REVIEW OF FRANCE'S NEW GENERATION BARRACUDA CLASS NUCLEAR-PROPELLED SUBMARINES (SSN)" in DzKK official gazette January 2024 issue

"With the recent commissioning of the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant, Turkey will take its place among the countries using nuclear energy. Subsequently, it is foreseen that knowledge and experience in nuclear energy in all sectors, both civilian and military, will increase in a short period of time and this energy will be integrated into new capacity building areas.

In addition, the introduction of nuclear technology in Turkey is also a turning point for the planned national nuclear-powered submarine programme in the medium term. It is inevitable that the transition to nuclear-propelled submarines will lead to critical developments for the Turkish Naval Forces.

In particular, the indigenous heavy torpedo AKYA and the submarine-launched ATMACA G/M will add strength to the power of our submarines, and with the acquisition of long-range GEZGİN cruise missile capability by our nuclear submarines, our submarines will become one of the most effective weapons in the world.

In the process of transition to nuclear energy, considering our limited knowledge and experience in the field, it is considered that there are various issues that need to be taken into consideration for our Naval Forces. Apart from the operation and maintenance of the nuclear reactor, which is a highly technical issue, it is important that projects in line with our concept of submarine utilisation and preliminary preparations for the training of submariner personnel be initiated now. Thus, the foresighted plans to be made as early as the project design phase will provide guidance in solving problems before they arise."
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Man, the Navy's somewhat crazy plans from the 90s are slowly but surely coming together....

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Even though these are just feasibility studies, I can't help but think what else they are planning after the AC (2030+)

They planned destroyers, LHDs, AIP subs and an AC in the 90s, now each of these except the AC (and nuc subs) are either pretty mature projects or are currently in the process of commissioning.

I can't see this materializing further but we have no way of knowing what the future brings... So I guess we should just keep an open mind and keep observing from far away...
 

gelgoog

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It is probably going to be tough to convince the French to sell that technology to Turkey. Look at how many hoops Brazil is having to take to get nuclear subs. But after the AUKUS submarine deal it might happen.
 

CasualObserver

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It is probably going to be tough to convince the French to sell that technology to Turkey. Look at how many hoops Brazil is having to take to get nuclear subs. But after the AUKUS submarine deal it might happen.
They're not asking for submarines from France, they're just studying whether operating nuclear subs in 2035/40/whatever year makes sense operationally, financially amd technologically.

Even if that was the case, France views Turkey as one of its main rivals and they also have a security pact with Greece to gang up on Turkey in case of a conflict.
 
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gelgoog

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So you are saying Turkey would make its own nuclear submarine and reactors and everything? Good luck with that.
Notice how every country that builds and operates nuclear submarines currently has some sort of fuel enrichment facilities.
 

sequ

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In the skies on January 16

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The countdown has begun for the first test flight of Turkey's most ambitious technology project, the National Combat Aircraft KAAN. It is stated that KAAN will meet with Gök Vatan on January 16. Three prototypes of KAAN, which left the hangar in May last year, will be produced by 2026.

Turkey's pride, National Combat Aircraft KAAN, is preparing to meet the sky for its first test flight. The countdown has begun for the first flight test of KAAN, which has successfully passed many tests. The date discussed for the first test flight is next week. In this context, although it has not been finalized, the date of January 16 is mentioned. While preparations for a smooth take-off continue meticulously, new flight tests await KAAN within the year after successfully completing its first flight test.

FROM STAGE TO STAGE
Preliminary design activities were carried out between 2018 and 2022 within the scope of Phase-1 at KAAN. Within the scope of Phase-1 Phase-2, detailed design and qualification activities will be carried out in the 2022-2029 period. In this regard, KAAN left the hangar in May last year. It is aimed to produce 3 prototype KAANs by 2026. It is known that the assembly activities of the 2nd and 3rd prototypes are currently continuing at TAI facilities.

FIRST DELIVERY IN 2028
The Block-10 configuration, which will be delivered to the Air Forces Command, is aimed to be developed by 2029. 10 KAAN Block-1 warplanes to be produced within the scope of Phase-2 were to be delivered to the Turkish Air Force between 2030-2033. However, this date announced by the Turkish Air Force was withdrawn by TAI and revised to 2028.

Finely scrutinized and touched frequently
To date, KAAN's ejection seat tests, full-length static tests, static tests of control surfaces, landing gear drop tests, avionics system tests in the system integration laboratory, engine starting tests after fuel tests have been carried out. KAAN will be an aircraft with a low radar signature, equipped with advanced shooting systems and a dual-function radar, with a fuselage made of composite materials that have the ability to dampen radar waves. Test engineers and test pilot team carried out the preparation process meticulously due to these advanced technological features of KAAN.

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schrage musik

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I dont like this aircraft carrier project either. Quite pointless i think. How is a carrier going to help in the Mediterranean or the Red Sea? Larger Anadolu/Trakya type LHDs capable of deploying Kizilelma/TB-3 and UUVs make much more sense.

I have seen people defend this by comparing it to the KAAN 5th generation fighter but I dont think that is a valid argument either. For one, you will be building hundreds of these aircraft. You will only ever build 1 maybe 2 carriers. That conventional carrier is not worth the investment a project of this sort would consume.
 

Gloire_bb

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I dont like this aircraft carrier project either. Quite pointless i think. How is a carrier going to help in the Mediterranean or the Red Sea? Larger Anadolu/Trakya type LHDs capable of deploying Kizilelma/TB-3 and UUVs make much more sense.
Kizilelma is a CTOL aircraft.
Just by this reason alone, a proper deck is viable, unless you want to rewatch 1950s porn called jet ops from a straight deck.
Then come normal aircraft facilities, and proper hull for fleet operations(not for hauling stuff) - and we're already talking about a proper carrier.

p.s. Mediterranean is big; TN operates well beyond the sea of Marmara.
You will only ever build 1 maybe 2 carriers.
1-2 carriers, reasonable carriers, can be built for a price tag of 2-3 contemporary frigates.
If the aviation part is solved - they give to the fleet a qualitative boost that neither 4-6 nor even 20-30 frigates can ever hope to provide.
 

sequ

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I dont like this aircraft carrier project either. Quite pointless i think. How is a carrier going to help in the Mediterranean or the Red Sea? Larger Anadolu/Trakya type LHDs capable of deploying Kizilelma/TB-3 and UUVs make much more sense.

I have seen people defend this by comparing it to the KAAN 5th generation fighter but I dont think that is a valid argument either. For one, you will be building hundreds of these aircraft. You will only ever build 1 maybe 2 carriers. That conventional carrier is not worth the investment a project of this sort would consume.
Their ambition goes beyond the Med and Red Sea. Think of Africa and Asia.
 
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