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Xsizor said:

Article rife with speculations and even fantasies. One has to merely go to other forums where the discussions are much sober

1. TRMotors collaboration with Ukraine (IvPr) seem to be limited to development of APU and electricity generator.

2. TRMotors has pledged the two technologies mentioned above towards an engine project ( under deliberation between SSB, Kale Group) with Rolls Royce.

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3. The Turkish agency that contributes to building F110 is TEI, itself being a JV of GE (USA) and Turkish Aerospace industries. Simply put, they can't take F110 engine and "develop over" it.What more, TEI doesn't manufacture the entire engine and it's components from raw material stage.

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I think you are underestimating Turkey here.

A couple of points from my own experiences visiting Turkey.

Turkish people are the most hyper-nationalistic people in Europe. It permeates into everything. You go into an ordinary office for a business meeting, you'll see Turkish flags and a portrait of their founder. The same with their hospitals.

Engineers who work at Lockheed Martin, BAE etc, are just doing their jobs, their motivation is financial. In Turkey the motivation is actually for improving their military, and becoming a superpower again.

The other factor is that Turkey is a country that actually is prepared to get their hands dirty. Being involved in military conflicts is a force multiplier for military development.

I'm unsure whether it will be a good thing for the world or not, but I'm sure in 10 years Turkey will be a major military power.

Ignoring that critical detail, any technology derived from F110 that TEI uses, ignoring GE Intellectual Property, will jeopardize TEI and its international business. US is notorious for holding its IP close to heart.

4. There are no confirmation of TF-141 engines or a collaboration with Ukraine to develop one. Ukraine has no experience in designing an engine in the same class as F110 let alone an engine for a fifth generation fighter. There is a reason why India didn't progress with Ukraine. Chances of a successful program are slim.

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If anything, the USA is the leakiest when it comes to IP. Is there anything they've been able to keep hold of?

Right now I don't think the Turks will care if they piss off America.

Abominable said:

I think you are underestimating Turkey here.

A couple of points from my own experiences visiting Turkey.

Turkish people are the most hyper-nationalistic people in Europe. It permeates into everything. You go into an ordinary office for a business meeting, you'll see Turkish flags and a portrait of their founder. The same with their hospitals.

Engineers who work at Lockheed Martin, BAE etc, are just doing their jobs, their motivation is financial. In Turkey the motivation is actually for improving their military, and becoming a superpower again.

The other factor is that Turkey is a country that actually is prepared to get their hands dirty. Being involved in military conflicts is a force multiplier for military development.

I'm unsure whether it will be a good thing for the world or not, but I'm sure in 10 years Turkey will be a major military power.

If anything, the USA is the leakiest when it comes to IP. Is there anything they've been able to keep hold of?

Right now I don't think the Turks will care if they piss off America.

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You might be right regarding Turkish dedication and patriotism. I have no intention of arguing on this ( because I can't measure nationalism).

But I disagree that US is indifferent towards IP, especially Defence technology IP. US had complaints regarding Israel ( who is a very strong / special ally ) and is reported to have rebuked them for allegedly spilling secrets and technology to other countries like China. US also had to "discuss" issues with South Korea ( another close ally) on the same issue.

Regarding Turbofans, ( regarded as crown jewels) the issue becomes really serious. Unlike many other military technologies ( tanks, Artillery or even missiles), Turbofans are a key technology that enable air superiority. And air superiority is important to win wars. Turkey stealing GE IP ( partly owned by US ) will indeed draw attention and sanctions.

Turkey may have good engineering talent. I have never looked down on it. But Turkey being able to develop cutting edge engines to power a fighter jet has to be a miracle.

Right now, Turkey can develop good Turboshaft engines and small Turbojets and Turbofans to power UAVs and Cruise missiles. Anything better, Turkey has to expend time, capital, resources and effort.

Turkish technology company CTech Information Technologies, which produces secure satellite communication systems, opened to the Spanish market.



According to the information received, CTech Information Technologies and Tecnobit-Oesia Group signed a cooperation agreement to develop secure satellite communication modems that are resistant to jamming and suppression for fixed and rotary wing aircraft.

Within the scope of the agreement signed at the International Defense and Security Fair - FEINDEF 2021 in Madrid, witnessed by the representatives of the Spanish Ministry of Defense and Presidency of Defense Industries, the fixed and rotary wing Spanish air platforms with the mentioned modems will be able to perform joint operations with NATO allies with the same technology.

With this cooperation, the product strategies of both companies will not be limited to Spain and Turkey, and access to new markets will be created together.

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Xsizor said:

You might be right regarding Turkish dedication and patriotism. I have no intention of arguing on this ( because I can't measure nationalism).

But I disagree that US is indifferent towards IP, especially Defence technology IP. US had complaints regarding Israel ( who is a very strong / special ally ) and is reported to have rebuked them for allegedly spilling secrets and technology to other countries like China. US also had to "discuss" issues with South Korea ( another close ally) on the same issue.

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Regarding Turbofans, ( regarded as crown jewels) the issue becomes really serious. Unlike many other military technologies ( tanks, Artillery or even missiles), Turbofans are a key technology that enable air superiority. And air superiority is important to win wars. Turkey stealing GE IP ( partly owned by US ) will indeed draw attention and sanctions.

Turkey may have good engineering talent. I have never looked down on it. But Turkey being able to develop cutting edge engines to power a fighter jet has to be a miracle.

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Israel, China, South Korea, aren't you agreeing with me? The US have a terrible track record when it comes to this.

Turbofans aren't more sensitive than nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles and throughout the Cold War the US was never able to stop Soviets and Chinese (and others) learning about them. This was before the days of the internet as well, information travels much easier now.

America isn't going to sanction Turkey, at this point they'll be running out of countries to trade with. They'll just do whatever they do whenever the Israelis "steal" something from them.

"Right now, Turkey can develop good Turboshaft engines and small Turbojets and Turbofans to power UAVs and Cruise missiles. Anything better, Turkey has to expend time, capital, resources and effort."

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Yep, pretty much. I guess we differ where Turkey will be in 10 years.

Abominable said:

America isn't going to sanction Turkey, at this point they'll be running out of countries to trade with. They'll just do whatever they do whenever the Israelis "steal" something from them.

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If US did not ignore SK or Israel allegedly violating IP, then Turkey ( which isn't exactly so close an ally) may not be ignored too. Appropriating US IP for itself will draw attack,likely in the form of sanctions, from US. It's ok if we don't agree. We will see in time.
Anyway, right now Turkey has not made a single Turbofan that can power a manned aircraft. We may be discussing things too early.

Radar and Border Security Systems Export of 66.750.000 Euros from ASELSAN.

ASELSAN signed an export contract with another country. The total value of the contract is 66 million 750 thousand euros. Deliveries begin next year.

In the statement made by ASELSAN to the Public Disclosure Platform (KAP), it was reported that an international sales contract was signed with an international customer regarding the export of radar, border security and communication systems, with a total value of 66 million 750 thousand Euros.

It is stated in the statement that the deliveries will be made within the scope of the said contract in the 2022-2024 period, and regarding the effect of the new business relationship on the partnership activities, "It will positively affect the turnover of the company."

Xsizor said:

If US did not ignore SK or Israel allegedly violating IP, then Turkey ( which isn't exactly so close an ally) may not be ignored too. Appropriating US IP for itself will draw attack,likely in the form of sanctions, from US. It's ok if we don't agree. We will see in time.
Anyway, right now Turkey has not made a single Turbofan that can power a manned aircraft. We may be discussing things too early.

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Turkey is enough of an ally to be a base for American missiles. They're also broadly in favour of America's policy in the middle east. Other than the purchase of the S400 the US has had no problems with Turkey (unlike Europe).

In 5 years, if Turkey comes out with a new engine that looks much like an F110 but slightly different, what can America do? Unless there's evidence criminal activity like bribing for state secrets, not much.

It will probably nuke any future licencing agreements, but given what happened with the F-35 I don't think Turkey is expecting any.

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The Presidency of Defense Industries, which rolled up its sleeves after TCG Anadolu, also included a second more comprehensive ship announced by President Erdoğan on its agenda. The ship, which is planned to be larger than TCG Anadolu, is envisaged to be in a format to accommodate several types of UAVs with jet engines and propellers. It is stated that the ship will have a displacement of close to 50 thousand tons and a capacity of 1800 personnel. According to the information obtained; The Turkish Type Aircraft Carrier will have the infrastructure suitable for flying platforms such as the F-35 B that can take off with short take-off - vertical landing as well as catapult.

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Curious. At least as far as I can see, going for arrested landing makes far more sense for Turkey.

'Very Light Class Torpedo' from Roketsan to unmanned platforms



In addition to heavy and light class torpedoes, Roketsan sees the development of 'Very Light Class Torpedo' systems as a necessity. Roketsan Underwater Systems Project Manager Levent ÇOMOĞLU made important statements on the subject during the 10th Marine Systems Seminar.

The highlights of ÇOMOĞLU's presentation are as follows:

“It is anticipated that UAV/UCAVs and unmanned naval vehicles (IDA) will also be integrated into anti-submarine warfare (DSH) activities. It is foreseen that the use of 'Very Light Torpedo' systems will be needed in order to benefit from the capability envelope of unmanned combat vehicles at a higher level.

The fact that the firing platforms can carry more than the Very Light Class Torpedoes makes it possible to use these systems multiple times in target engagement.

Very Light Class Torpedoes can be developed as smarter weapon systems with the ability to attack in packs and in a coordinated manner. In this way, it will be possible to suppress more than one type of target operationally and render them inoperable.

Thanks to the developing autonomous and unmanned platform technologies, it is expected that the submarine fleets in the future will consist of a large number of cheap and silent unmanned submarine platforms that can move in swarms. On the other hand, the weapon systems used underwater; They will need to be multiple, coordinated and capable of performing long-term tasks. In this direction; The use of smaller and less costly Very Light Class Torpedo systems for attacking these platforms is important for cost efficiency of DSH operations.

It is considered that the Very Light Class Torpedoes can cause damage to conventional submarines at a level that may render these platforms incapable of operation.”

TURKISH AEROSPACE OPENS NEW OFFICE IN MALAYSIA, FURTHER STRENGTHENING İNVESTMENTS AND COLLABORATİONS IN THE NATION’S AVIATION INDUSTRY​

Turkish Aerospace opened its new office at the Cyberview Futurise campus in Selangor, Malaysia today. This is the company’s first engineering and design office in Southeast Asia.

Turkish Aerospace will continue its investments and collaborations in Malaysia for the development of new generation technologies, particularly in the field of defense industry and aviation. As one of the leading companies in the global aviation industry, it has expanded its reach further by establishing more than 10 technology offices around the world.

In this collaboration, Turkish and Malaysian engineers will work in the new office to carry out joint studies in a variety of areas which includes unmanned aerial vehicles, jet trainers, helicopter projects, and modernisation programmes for the global aviation ecosystem.

Senior Minister and Minister of International Trade and Industry (MITI), YB. Dato’ Seri Mohamed Azmin Ali, who officiated the opening, said: “The opening of Turkish Aerospace’s first engineering and design office in Malaysia is opportune for us to look at how we can synergise our joint expertise to secure workflow for the benefit of the Turkish and Malaysian aerospace industry. Turkey has one of the fastest developing defence and aerospace sectors in the world and has achieved many firsts for the Muslim world.”

The Senior Minister also said that the bilateral linkages between Malaysia and Turkey have continued to grow from strength to strength, noting that talks between Malaysia and Turkey on the expansion of FTA have made substantial progress.

Echoing the Senior Minister, Dato’ Arham Abdul Rahman, Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the Malaysian Investment Development Authority (MIDA) shared, “Turkish Aerospace’s footprint in Malaysia will enhance Malaysia’s aerospace ecosystem, which has the right value proposition for the company to expand its presence in ASEAN and beyond, particularly in the manufacturing and high-end services sector. The competitive cost of doing business in Malaysia will undoubtedly be beneficial for both parties to raise the nation’s local expertise as well as certification status.”

Expressing his views on the newly opened office, Turkish Aerospace’s CEO and President, Prof. Temel Kotil said, “With the engineers we will employ, we will strengthen the ties between the two countries and host important studies for Malaysia and Turkey to develop joint projects in the field of aviation, space and defense. We aim to expand our experience in these fields within the scope of joint projects with Malaysia and to strengthen the global aviation industry, especially in our regions. I hope our newly opened office in Malaysia will be beneficial in raising the relations between the two countries, and I would like to thank my friends for their efforts.”

Dr. Merve Kavakcı, Turkish Ambassador to Malaysia, said: “I hope that the physical presence of the Turkish Aerospace, one of the leading companies in our country in aerospace and defence will be mutually beneficial for the relations between our two countries. We are pleased to see that Turkish defense industry companies are engaged in many solid cooperation projects in different parts of the world. In fact, today's opening is a good example of this. We have strong political and commercial relations with Malaysia. We are resolutely seeking for further progress through new collaborations in the field of defense industry. Malaysia is our largest trading and strategic partner in Southeast Asia. Just like our country, it is located in a very strategic position. Today's opening demonstrates that Turkish companies are confident about strong, stable and prosperous Malaysia.”

The Malaysian Government will continue to focus on attracting high-quality investments within the aerospace industry. As per the Twelfth Malaysia Plan (12MP), being the leading aerospace nation in Southeast Asia is one of the country’s focuses, serving a broader objective of achieving Malaysia’s National Investment Aspirations (NIA) and Sustainable Development Goals.

As of June 2021, a total of 13 manufacturing projects with Turkish participation have been approved with total investments of RM510.4 million.