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I hope Turkey achieves to get all the smart heads of Ukrainian gas turbine industry out of Ukraine and into Turkey before it's too late.
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Or TEI should stop messing around with Mercedes diesel engines and get fully working on a whole plethora of indigenous turbine engines to feed its ever growing aerospace industry. I hope that they are secretly developing a whole family of turbofan engines starting from light thrust with and without afterburner and medium thrust with and without afterburner.

If they develop a 6000lb class turbofan, they can add an afterburner and get up to 10k lb thrust. If they develop a 12k-13k lb thrust turbofan engine they can get 18k-20k with an afterburner. That's just 2 entirely different engines with or without added afterburner covering the 6k to 20k thrust range. With an FJ-44 equivalent they can cover the 2k-4k lb range leaving virtually no gap whatsoever.

In the end they would need to develop just 3 different turbofan engines to have a whole range of 2k to 20k lb thrust to power Turkish manned and unmanned aircraft.
 
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Yes, but Turkey would only do it in the extreme case or it uses it as a means to further pressure to get the US to cooperate. Whether this pressure will succeed is a different story.
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The only pressure that can work against US is the geopolitics cards that Turkey has : Russia and Iran ( Russia, specifically). But this would hamper its EU/ NATO ambitions.
sequ said:
Or TEI should stop messing around with Mercedes diesel engines and get fully working on a whole plethora of indigenous turbine engines to feed its ever growing aerospace industry. I hope that they are secretly developing a whole family of turbofan engines starting from light thrust with and without afterburner and medium thrust with and without afterburner.

If they develop a 6000lb class turbofan, they can add an afterburner and get up to 10k lb thrust. If they develop a 12k-13k lb thrust turbofan engine they can get 18k-20k with an afterburner. That's just 2 entirely different engines with or without added afterburner covering the 6k to 20k thrust range. With an FJ-44 equivalent they can cover the 2k-4k lb range leaving virtually no gap whatsoever.

In the end they would need to develop just 3 different turbofan engines to have a whole range of 2k to 20k lb thrust to power Turkish manned and unmanned aircraft.
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Secretly or otherwise, a whole family is out of reach for Turkey. But certainly, a few can be created. Also, you can't slap on an afterburner and assume that wet thrust is the operating thrust of the aircraft. Afterburners drink fuel like its lemonade during summer and degrade the engines. The only aircraft that used afterburners for extended periods was the SR71. Afterburners also add significant weight to the engines.
 
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Secretly or otherwise, a whole family is out of reach for Turkey.
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I beg to differ. TEI has proven that it has a high degree of independent design capability with the TS1400. Iran has developed an FJ-33 equivalent called the Jahesh-700. It is a matter of will that TEI develops various turbofan engines. And there are indications that it does, like the registering of the patent name 'TEI TF-6000' and a TEI engineer LinkedIn page which stated that he worked on the TF6000 among other known engine programs.

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But certainly, a few can be created.
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So what is it? Is Turkey able to develop the engine classes I mentioned before or not in the coming decade?

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Also, you can't slap on an afterburner and assume that wet thrust is the operating thrust of the aircraft. Afterburners drink fuel like its lemonade during summer and degrade the engines. The only aircraft that used afterburners for extended periods was the SR71. Afterburners also add significant weight to the engines.
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And this isn't worth to comment on.
 
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sequ said:
I beg to differ. TEI has proven that it has a high degree of independent design capability with the TS1400. Iran has developed an FJ-33 equivalent called the Jahesh-700. It is a matter of will that TEI develops various turbofan engines. And there are indications that it does, like the registering of the patent name 'TEI TF-6000' and a TEI engineer LinkedIn page which stated that he worked on the TF6000 among other known engine programs.


So what is it? Is Turkey able to develop the engine classes I mentioned before or not in the coming decade?


And this isn't worth to comment on.
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Not interested in a back and forth. You mentioned this:
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If they develop a 6000lb class turbofan, they can add an afterburner and get up to 10k lb thrust. If they develop a 12k-13k lb thrust turbofan engine they can get 18k-20k with an afterburner. That's just 2 entirely different engines with or without added afterburner covering the 6k to 20k thrust range. With an FJ-44 equivalent they can cover the 2k-4k lb range leaving virtually no gap whatsoever.
In the end they would need to develop just 3 different turbofan engines to have a whole range of 2k to 20k lb thrust to power Turkish manned and unmanned aircraft.
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If a drone need 20lb power engines to fly, you can't introduce an engine with an afterburner thrust of 20 lb to do the job. I leave it at that.
 
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Xsizor said:
If a drone need 20lb power engines to fly, you can't introduce an engine with an afterburner thrust of 20 lb to do the job. I leave it at that.
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It obviously depends on what the role and how big the drone is now, isn't it?

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Not interested in a back and forth. You mentioned this:
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Me neither, especially if you can't put things in comparison to each other.

To give you an example, an unmanned stealth bomber in the F-117 class could be powered by two non-afterburning turbofan engines based on the F404.

Like I said, it depends on what the role and how big the drone is.
 
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It obviously depends on what the role and how big the drone is now, isn't it?

Like I said, it depends on what the role and how big the drone is.
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No. Kindly, don't mistake afterburners thrust as a usable thrust. In your last example, you mentioned that if they develop a 13k lb thrust turbofan, then they may be able to get 20k with afterburners.

But with this engine, you will only be able to fly an aircraft that needs 13k thrust. You won't fly an aircraft that needs 20k thrust. You must develop a Turbofan with 20k non afterburning thrust for that.

Afterburners are for bursts of speed and aid in maneuvering. As per your last hypothetical, Turkey would have only developed engines in the 6k to 13k thrust.
 
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Xsizor said:
No. Kindly, don't mistake afterburners thrust as a usable thrust. In your last example, you mentioned that if they develop a 13k lb thrust turbofan, then they may be able to get 20k with afterburners.

But with this engine, you will only be able to fly an aircraft that needs 13k thrust. You won't fly an aircraft that needs 20k thrust. You must develop a Turbofan with 20k non afterburning thrust for that.

Afterburners are for bursts of speed and aid in maneuvering. As per your last hypothetical, Turkey would have only developed engines in the 6k to 13k thrust.
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Are you trolling?
 
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