Trump admin legacy: Poisoning future US China relationship

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gadgetcool5

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It does not help them in Korea war when China alone halt the UN forces plus US and 5 eyes countries. so what good is having those allies It is more of burden because you spend money to defend them

It wasn't China alone. The US was afraid to attack mainland China for fear of drawing the USSR into a nuclear war. The Soviet Union was implicitly backing China at that time. And remember it was the Soviet Mig-15s that gave the communist side parity in the air.

The West are masters are knowing the importance of allies and friends and being popular. Now they are trying to peel away Russia.

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They want China to be isolated alone with only Pakistan and a few other insignificant states. I wish China knew equally the value of friendships. It is the basis for the entire Western dominance.
 

nastya1

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Its kind of exciting when iran will be fully rebuilt with chinese chips and software.

Only with iran and pakistan can China obtain true alliance.

Russia just back stabbed China again!.
The S400 supposedly delivery to China got turned around and shipped to india. Russia and india want to form alliance.

Russia is not happy with China belt and road project as China too involved in "Stans" central asia as russia consider thats should be its influence

China current belt and road project is overly aggressive. It should be mainly through pakistan and afghanistan to iran. This way it wont step onto russia area
 
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Hendrik_2000

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It wasn't China alone. The US was afraid to attack mainland China for fear of drawing the USSR into a nuclear war. The Soviet Union was implicitly backing China at that time. And remember it was the Soviet Mig-15s that gave the communist side parity in the air.

The West are masters are knowing the importance of allies and friends and being popular. Now they are trying to peel away Russia.

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They want China to be isolated alone with only Pakistan and a few other insignificant states. I wish China knew equally the value of friendships. It is the basis for the entire Western dominance.

It is the genius of Chinese diplomacy to pit Soviet against US in Korea war and flip it during 1967 Ussuri river incidence when China open up to the US It hark back to the thousand year when China bought or coopt northern tribe man to fight against each other

The fact is Nuclear weapon is coercive weapon that cannot be used To destroy China They need to throw everything they get But doing that will be suicidal as the radioactive cloud will blow back and kill people in Korea and Japan.

The fact is US and Harry Truman wisely fire Mac Arthur and bring Korean war to an end.
No Mig 21 does not turn the tide of war in Korea After the introduction of sabre F86 they were butcher with 2 to 1 kill ratio But the Chinese soldier brave and heroic effort turn the tide of war in resulting in stale mate . So the odd of US winning a war in Asia is slime if backthen Chinese army is primitive but they manage to hold the US.Now the odd is even worse with China fielding some of the most lethal weapon.

China is not isolated you just brainwashed by western MSM China has sucessfully counter the west initiative in UN the latest is Hongkong security law where China is supported by 56 countries and thwarted the west intitiative
 

j17wang

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Its kind of exciting when iran will be fully rebuilt with chinese chips and software.

Only with iran and pakistan can China obtain true alliance.

Russia just back stabbed China again!.
The S400 supposedly delivery to China got turned around and shipped to india. Russia and india want to form alliance.

Russia is not happy with China belt and road project as China too involved in "Stans" central asia as russia consider thats should be its influence

China current belt and road project is overly aggressive. It should be mainly through pakistan and afghanistan to iran. This way it wont step onto russia area

We are getting some conflicted news about S-400. Some news sources are saying that it was delivered, some news sources (mostly Indian) saying it wasn't. Lets not overreact, its natural for Russia to suspend deliveries (albeit temporarily) so as to not poison its relationship with India. Russia is in a hard spot because of the China/India spat. China, in the meantime, already has two existing S-400 batteries and even without them, already hold an advantage against IAF. Russia is trying to preserve its relationship with India without fully antagonizing China.

On the topic of America, China needs to be gloves-off in physiological/soft power warfare. Instead of defending its actions in HK, Xinjiang, Tibet... we need to start holding commemorative vigils at American consulates every anniversary of the My Lai Massacre, shoot-down of iran air 655, anniversary of George Floyd death, start of war in iraq, invasion of panama... make every month a vigil and air some heart-breaking documentary or reconciliation conference with a victim of american imperialism. There is enough countries in the world and enough atrocities america has committed over the years that we can just hammer through commemorations month-on-month. Also, donate some money to vietnamese, iranian, african american, iraqi victims so they care travel the world talking "candidly" about their experiences. Honestly I truly respect how the FLG has their core supporters just parading through the world going to picket Chinese embassies, good for them! We should also be open to learning from our enemies. Donald Trump has started the job for china and we need to push it to its logical conclusion. The ultimate objective is to embed shame into the american psyche, and turn america's allies more neutral.

FYI, always start a conversation or youtube/facebook post with, "How many black people do you think the police shot in the US today?" It's not intellectually honest or objective but what really is today?
 

SpicySichuan

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China, in the meantime, already has two existing S-400 batteries and even without them, already hold an advantage against IAF. Russia is trying to preserve its relationship with India without fully antagonizing China.
Well, based on Indian and supposed Russian sources, Russia suspended S-400 mainly due to Chinese espionage and Sino-Indian conflict. However, since China already possesses the S-400 systems, reverse engineering and adding more Chinese elements in them (like chips, AESA radars, etc.) to crease a "HQ-400" is not longer an issue for China. China could also dissect and reverse engineer the powerful solid fuel rocket engines of the 40N6 missiles (if China already possess it) for other uses (say a new terminal-phase ABM). Thus, the Russian espionage charge is useless in preventing the Chinese from getting their hands on the S-400. Nevertheless, should Moscow officially side with India, the U.S., and Japan in the upcoming geopolitical great game, it would be a tragedy for Beijing. Given its long border with China and its lack of rule of law domestically (say police and skinheads killing Chinese students and business owners), Moscow could cause some serious damage to Beijing on a daily basis, and Beijing would have to play a three-front great game. You would probably expect the EU to come to China's aid under such scenario. Yet, European countries are too ideologically proud (similar to Washington) to deal with the Chinese on an equal basis.
 

Bob Smith

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Well, based on Indian and supposed Russian sources, Russia suspended S-400 mainly due to Chinese espionage and Sino-Indian conflict. However, since China already possesses the S-400 systems, reverse engineering and adding more Chinese elements in them (like chips, AESA radars, etc.) to crease a "HQ-400" is not longer an issue for China. China could also dissect and reverse engineer the powerful solid fuel rocket engines of the 40N6 missiles (if China already possess it) for other uses (say a new terminal-phase ABM). Thus, the Russian espionage charge is useless in preventing the Chinese from getting their hands on the S-400. Nevertheless, should Moscow officially side with India, the U.S., and Japan in the upcoming geopolitical great game, it would be a tragedy for Beijing. Given its long border with China and its lack of rule of law domestically (say police and skinheads killing Chinese students and business owners), Moscow could cause some serious damage to Beijing on a daily basis, and Beijing would have to play a three-front great game. You would probably expect the EU to come to China's aid under such scenario. Yet, European countries are too ideologically proud (similar to Washington) to deal with the Chinese on an equal basis.

I do not see a Russia under Putin to side with the world against China because he knows Russia is next on the chopping block should China fall. Unless you hear from an official Russian or Chinese source on why or even if the missile deliveries were suspended, I would stop paying attention to that story.
 

gadgetcool5

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The US Strategy is not US vs. China, but the World vs. the CPC

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"Instead of echoing Beijing’s frame of “the United States vs. China” we should emphasize that it is the Communist Party of China that is imposing a “systemic rivalry” on the Free World by contesting its values and pushing for alternatives in multiple domains.104 The way to win is not for each democracy to compete or negotiate with Beijing alone. Defending the postCold War preeminence of democratic values in the international order is a team sport."

Interesting testimony. The US strategy is to get as many allies as possible & confront China. The Chinese strategy is to start a fight with as many countries as possible & get into a massive fight it is sure to lose. Sometimes I wonder if Xi Jinping is a Manchurian candidate engineered in a US lab. What did they really do to him
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Are we sure the same Xi Jinping left Iowa as entered Iowa?
 

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The US Strategy is not US vs. China, but the World vs. the CPC

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"Instead of echoing Beijing’s frame of “the United States vs. China” we should emphasize that it is the Communist Party of China that is imposing a “systemic rivalry” on the Free World by contesting its values and pushing for alternatives in multiple domains.104 The way to win is not for each democracy to compete or negotiate with Beijing alone. Defending the postCold War preeminence of democratic values in the international order is a team sport."

Interesting testimony. The US strategy is to get as many allies as possible & confront China. The Chinese strategy is to start a fight with as many countries as possible & get into a massive fight it is sure to lose. Sometimes I wonder if Xi Jinping is a Manchurian candidate engineered in a US lab. What did they really do to him
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Are we sure the same Xi Jinping left Iowa as entered Iowa?

Except what you stated is not China's strategy. Also U.S. plus 5 Eyes is not "the world".
 

Hendrik_2000

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The US Strategy is not US vs. China, but the World vs. the CPC

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"Instead of echoing Beijing’s frame of “the United States vs. China” we should emphasize that it is the Communist Party of China that is imposing a “systemic rivalry” on the Free World by contesting its values and pushing for alternatives in multiple domains.104 The way to win is not for each democracy to compete or negotiate with Beijing alone. Defending the postCold War preeminence of democratic values in the international order is a team sport."

Interesting testimony. The US strategy is to get as many allies as possible & confront China. The Chinese strategy is to start a fight with as many countries as possible & get into a massive fight it is sure to lose. Sometimes I wonder if Xi Jinping is a Manchurian candidate engineered in a US lab. What did they really do to him
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Are we sure the same Xi Jinping left Iowa as entered Iowa?

It is ironic like kettle calling pot black
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“Since 1979, do you know how many times China has been at war with anybody?” Carter asked. “None, and we have stayed at war.” While it is true that China’s last major war—an invasion of Vietnam—occurred in 1979, its People’s Liberation Army pounded border regions of Vietnam with artillery and its navy battled its Vietnamese counterpart in the 1980s. Since then, however, China has been at peace with its neighbors and the world.


Carter then said the US has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation. Counting wars, military attacks and military occupations, there have actually only been five years of peace in US history—1976, the last year of the Gerald Ford administration and 1977-80, the entirety of Carter’s presidency. Carter then referred to the US as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world,” a result, he said, of the US forcing other countries to “adopt our American principles.”
 

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The US Strategy is not US vs. China, but the World vs. the CPC

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"Instead of echoing Beijing’s frame of “the United States vs. China” we should emphasize that it is the Communist Party of China that is imposing a “systemic rivalry” on the Free World by contesting its values and pushing for alternatives in multiple domains.104 The way to win is not for each democracy to compete or negotiate with Beijing alone. Defending the postCold War preeminence of democratic values in the international order is a team sport."

Interesting testimony. The US strategy is to get as many allies as possible & confront China. The Chinese strategy is to start a fight with as many countries as possible & get into a massive fight it is sure to lose. Sometimes I wonder if Xi Jinping is a Manchurian candidate engineered in a US lab. What did they really do to him
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Are we sure the same Xi Jinping left Iowa as entered Iowa?
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are we sure gadgetcool5 is not tidalwave?
 
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