Trump admin legacy: Poisoning future US China relationship

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Hendrik_2000

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Guess what , steve bannon is back to be in charge.
They claim the current movement as Crusade against the CCP.

Couple cards they still holding.
One is the decoupling dollar from renminbi. Barring Chinese banks from dollar transactions. Therefore China would be out of swift system.

The second is blocking all CCP members and their families from obtaining visas to US and also freeze their US assets.

Those 2 ideas are based on the work of China born professor Yu mao chun who works closely with Pompeo.

Xi family also implicated. His family is under such duress that his wife left him and moved out.

If Xi does fall, i wonder who can pick up the slack as there will no reconciliation between US and China in future. Doesnt matter who will be elected.
US essentially denies China all claims in South China sea and even chinese moderate reformists cannot accept that

Talk is cheap like they say walk the walk All those noise in not going to change China's trajectory one single bit. f trump can get the handle against lesser power like Iran and North Korea
What is he going to do with China ? Initiate a war against China? I don't think pentagon is that crazy.

All those noise show that the west has no more self confidence after disastrous handling of Covid and other issue
 

nastya1

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Talk is cheap like they say walk the walk All those noise in not going to change China's trajectory one single bit. f trump can get the handle against lesser power like Iran and North Korea
What is he going to do with China ? Initiate a war against China? I don't think pentagon is that crazy.

All those noise show that the west has no more self confidence after disastrous handling of Covid and other issue
Well north korea is a hermit country with little to lose.

China on the hand has alot more at stakes.

Most officials hide their wealth oversea. If their assets got frozen it would be devastating.

In Chinese culture i believe they said " take my life but dont take my wealth" meaning chinese guy can sacrifice himself but dont take his wealth because he wants to pass his wealth to his children.

Chinese officials may not care for wealth for himself but he like to give somethings to his children and wife.

Thats why alot of internal conflicts inside CCP currently.

This is what China born professor Yu Mao Chun explained to Trump admin regarding to internal thinkings of CCP members.

What Trump willing to do is hit and run. Like how he assasinated Solemani. He can ordered military to do some hit and run against China man made islands from a distance. If China respond too strong then its up to Congress whether to declare war on China.
 
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Sleepyjam

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This is what China born professor Yu Mao Chun explained to Trump admin regarding to internal thinkings of CCP members
If Trump is taking advise from this guy then it’s over for the US, the dollar would be finished as a reserve currency and hyperinflation would ensue in US.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Well north korea is a hermit country with little to lose.

China on the hand has alot more at stakes.

Most officials hide their wealth oversea. If their assets got frozen it would be devastating.

In Chinese culture i believe they said " take my life but dont take my wealth" meaning chinese guy can sacrifice himself but dont take his wealth because he wants to pass his wealth to his children.

Chinese officials may not care for wealth for himself but he like to give somethings to his children and wife.

Thats why alot of internal conflicts inside CCP currently.

This is what China born professor Yu Mao Chun explained to Trump admin regarding to internal thinkings of CCP members.

What Trump willing to do is hit and run. Like how he assasinated Solemani. He can ordered military to do some hit and run against China man made islands from a distance. If China respond too strong then its up to Congress whether to declare war on China.

You keep harping on this issue I already rebut your fantasy. Listen I don't know of any ex politburo who is retired and move to US So name me one? Who is this official you are talking about? Maybe there is some lesser official who went corrupt and run away to US but they are mostly small fry and inconsequential

US is no position to go to war now with 50 million unemployed and 14 million cases of coronavirus. They need to borrow trillion of dollars war will decimate US dollar as reserve currency and nobody is going to lend US money People will go hungry and revolt on the street!
 

Sleepyjam

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Like i said before if US hit on China militarily i dont think China would respond directly instead it would hit taiwan which fits Mao's famous motto "You fight your battle, i fight my own battle"
Please use some common sense before talking, China would not just sit there and let the US attack. Also US is at a military disadvantage inside the first island chain.
 

BMEWS

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I agree with some people on here stating that China is lacking in the area of PR, and could net benefit from improving its weaknessess... Compared to US, heck even compared to Russia, China PR/propaganda in the world is sorely lacking. Part of it is structural in the sense that China is fighting asymettric uphill battle because American gained so much influence in the world for so long, from hollywood to a million other advantages that even if Chinese PR was on par qualitatively and quantitatively with that of the West, it should wouldn't be as effective and would be drowned out by the West... a simple example is see who controls the Google Play store? Google is argueably intelligence extension/arm of the US government at this point, (nevermind it got started with CIA/Mossad seed monies), and one stroke of the pen the US can order Google via Google Play to shut down the likes of TikTok, WeChat simply be delisting them from the Play Store. US holds this power because it developed the smartphone first, through that if Apple's initial innovation (app store concept) and later the usurping of the worldwide IoT (to include smartphone, tablet etc) devices and endpoints by Google trojan horse called Android... So at least initially it was the US lead that gave it this power and position that it can now use or abuse at its every whim and impulse to effect the sort of heavy handed sanctioning power of US hegemony.

Take the Twitter platform for example... Twitter is a bona fide news platform and broadcast/alert system for companies and countries alike. Twitter is integrated into so many things now, worldwide. And even Iranian politicians are on it, even folks from North Korea... how can China win the PR war when its opponent controls the chokepoints of information? If suddenly world opinion started to turn (hypothetically) all the US has to do is shutdown all Chinese twitter channels and its game over...

So information warfare, fake news, propaganda and PR on the whole isn't going to be China's strong suit for a long long time, if ever. But that doesn't mean China cannot do things to improve so that its relatively in comparison not as bad. Right now China is far from mastering the art of the spin or whatever one calls it and I see a lot of low hanging fruit that China can do to improve its PR.

Now onto the other thing, these same people on here that say China PR sucks are the ones that seem to naively believe that "if only China played nice and conceded a little to be generous/magnanimous and tried harder to make friends, etc" that it wouldn't be in the position it is in today, that it would magically gain a bunch of allies and form alliances over the world, and that its basically China's fault that America is coming down hard on it because China doesn't believe in the system of liberalism /democracy and if only China would soften a little bit and not be as stubborn and be more open and transparent that all would be well and that America would welcome the friendly competition blah blah blah... Yeah these folks have no clue how the real world works... PR/progaganda/etc serves its master (hegemony) and NOT the other way around!

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It is these same people that I would venture to guess would recommend that China give up its dream of tech ascension (as in sell Huawei to Western companies, forfeit its 5G patents, stop pursuing own development if IC/chips), and stop the development of homegrown jet engines, hypersonic weapons, and denuclearize, sell/kill TikTok, DJI, WeChat, and basically like Pompeo says "become a normal country" (as in like all the other behaving vassal colonies) ... forgive America's debt, let India have whatever land it wants, be okay with Tiawan independence, give up the SCS and kill off the BRI/OBOR, do not do a digital Yuan, continue to buy all oil in USD, don't have relations with Iran, give independence to Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong, stop drinking bat soup, become fully democratic and hold elections, open up its market to Western companies, get rid of the Great Firewall, allow US "News" into mainland China, etc .... then America will be its "friend" again....

Then Pompeo, Bannon, Wilber Ross, Cotton and Trump will say good things about China and praise China for being "open" and "democratic" and "free" and "clean", and we can all be friends and everyone will live happily ever after....
 
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Weaasel

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Those are average Chinese folks. The ones against Xi are Jiang and his cronies and most of the second gen elite princelings

Even they do not want subservience to the United States and want latest state of the art comprehensive technological development, which they are not so naive to believe would happen with the cooperation of the West. The Trump Administration effectively placing sanctions on China and effectively attempting to stifle China's technological and economic progress will just cause even such elites to mostly rally around Xi.
 

Weaasel

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I agree with some people on here stating that China is lacking in the area of PR, and could net benefit from improving its weaknessess... Compared to US, heck even compared to Russia, China PR/propaganda in the world is sorely lacking. Part of it is structural in the sense that China is fighting asymettric uphill battle because American gained so much influence in the world for so long, from hollywood to a million other advantages that even if Chinese PR was on par qualitatively and quantitatively with that of the West, it should wouldn't be as effective and would be drowned out by the West... a simple example is see who controls the Google Play store? Google is argueably intelligence extension/arm of the US government at this point, (nevermind it got started with CIA/Mossad seed monies), and one stroke of the pen the US can order Google via Google Play to shut down the likes of TikTok, WeChat simply be delisting them from the Play Store. US holds this power because it developed the smartphone first, through that if Apple's initial innovation (app store concept) and later the usurping of the worldwide IoT (to include smartphone, tablet etc) devices and endpoints by Google trojan horse called Android... So at least initially it was the US lead that gave it this power and position that it can now use or abuse at its every whim and impulse to effect the sort of heavy handed sanctioning power of US hegemony.

Take the Twitter platform for example... Twitter is a bona fide news platform and broadcast/alert system for companies and countries alike. Twitter is integrated into so many things now, worldwide. And even Iranian politicians are on it, even folks from North Korea... how can China win the PR war when its opponent controls the chokepoints of information? If suddenly world opinion started to turn (hypothetically) all the US has to do is shutdown all Chinese twitter channels and its game over...

So information warfare, fake news, propaganda and PR on the whole isn't going to be China's strong suit for a long long time, if ever. But that doesn't mean China cannot do things to improve so that its relatively in comparison not as bad. Right now China is far from mastering the art of the spin or whatever one calls it and I see a lot of low hanging fruit that China can do to improve its PR.

Now onto the other thing, these same people on here that say China PR sucks are the ones that seem to naively believe that "if only China played nice and conceded a little to be generous/magnanimous and tried harder to make friends, etc" that it wouldn't be in the position it is in today, that it would magically gain a bunch of allies and form alliances over the world, and that its basically China's fault that America is coming down hard on it because China doesn't believe in the system of liberalism /democracy and if only China would soften a little bit and not be as stubborn and be more open and transparent that all would be well and that America would welcome the friendly competition blah blah blah... Yeah these folks have no clue how the real world works... PR/progaganda/etc serves its master (hegemony) and NOT the other way around!

It is these same people that I would venture to guess would recommend that China give up its dream of tech ascension (as in sell Huawei to Western companies, forfeit its 5G patents, stop pursuing own development if IC/chips), and stop the development of homegrown jet engines, hypersonic weapons, and denuclearize, sell/kill TikTok, DJI, WeChat, and basically like Pompeo says "become a normal country" (as in like all the other behaving vassal colonies) ... forgive America's debt, let India have whatever land it wants, be okay with Tiawan independence, give up the SCS and kill off the BRI/OBOR, do not do a digital Yuan, continue to buy all oil in USD, don't have relations with Iran, give independence to Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong, stop drinking bat soup, become fully democratic and hold elections, open up its market to Western companies, get rid of the Great Firewall, allow US "News" into mainland China, etc .... then America will be its "friend" again....

Then Pompeo, Bannon, Wilber Ross, Cotton and Trump will say good things about China and praise China for being "open" and "democratic" and "free" and "clean", and we can all be friends and everyone will live happily ever after....


China should not give up under any circumstances its pursuit of state of the art mastery in such technologies and should broadly not change its foreign policy.
 
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