Trump 2.0 official thread

[lych470]

At the end of this disgusting shit of an affair, none of this is going to end in a way that will benefit the USA, EU and Ukraine. This is going to end in a matter that is going to really screw these people over.

That's a feature, not a bug.

Zelensky and Ukraine is a useful tool for the US to bleed Russia. Once the war is no longer tenable, Ukraine and Zelensky will be discarded like a used rag, just like the US did to South Vietnam, the Kurds, and the Afghans.

 

[lych470]

The issue is not Zelensky's handlers but Zelensky himself who has been immeasurably appeased and emboldened that now he instinctively feels entitled to unlimited Western taxpayer support and truly believes he's this Churchillian figure commanding universal adoration. Lindsay Graham said that he spoke with Zelensky a day before and told him to stay on message and be grateful and respectful - but Zelensky clearly didn't listen.

Churchill single-handedly ended Britain's relevance as a Great Power. I sincerely hope that President Zelensky will imitate Churchill and completely dismantle Europe's remaining relevance in the present day.

 

[Hyper]

I have finished reading this lengthy article.
Overall, the author recognizes Trump's intention to strategically shrink, but it is clear that he opposes doing so, which is seen as a collaboration with the dictator.
The biggest problem with this article is that the author has created the illusion that they almost won in 2019.
He has been deeply immersed in the "Pax Americana" but he cannot realize that the United States cannot maintain an endless offensive.
The stance of this article is overly biased towards the Democratic Party, without realizing that his "progressionism" ideas are outdated.
Some viewpoints may be correct, but most of the content is indeed of little value.

Two areas where I disagree with you is that Trump doesn't wish to shrink insomuch against Asia as he just endorsed a budget that raises the funds for defence and the fact that if he wants to turn inwards it's only so that he can use force against whosoever his political opponents might be as seen by his threats to neighbours and politicians alike. The article also clearly identified why China won't agree to such an agreement with someone as bellicose as Trump. He has a tendency to tear apart agreements like USMCA so that will be kept in mind. Not do I see them agreeing to
I would also say that some of his articles though not this one are critical of the democrats. He is to the left of center right parties. Currently there is a lot of soul searching going on by the liberals as they are stunned and depressed about Trump's dismantling of the government and their own party cowering under Trump's threats. They also feel that all their fears about Trump came true.
I also don't think anyone who knows how the the concert of Europe ended would agree to such an aggreement. Turning the military inwards only resulted in Austria and Russia being surpassed by Germany and France who quietly rebuilt itself. This culminated in the balkan wars.
Also no country in east asia is interested in propping up the far right in the west.

 

[Santamaria]

The situation is the next:


US needs its resources and attention to be focused in re industrialization and China. It cannot do it if all its intel and military resources are consumed in Ukraine.

Just a example. The Chip act of Biden was 40k to semiconductor industry. The support to Ukraine is maybe 100k. Priorities are clearly wrong

So, the US needs the deal with Russia more than anyone besides the ukranian normal people.

Russia does not need any deal.

Russia went to the hell of sanctions in 2022, to increase military expenditure, mobilize society, renew and grow its arm production, etc. Now is in a winning position with Ukraine crumbling (with or without US help).
Russia is in the position of finally carve big chunks of Ukraine in the next year. At the very minimum Kharkov and Dniepro regions.

So, for Russia to agree to a ceasefire Trump need to offer something substantial to them. HE said it clearly, I can be tough but then NO DEAL.
For the US is of paramount interest to finish this war asap. Additionally Trump won the elections promising to get out of the war, so he is being fully democratic here

Actions of Trump are based in pure pragmatism.

Why Zelenski is not interested in finishing the war?
The moment war finish the real looses of Ukraine will emerge and he will be retributed by ukranians. I assure you that Zelenski is not popular even between patriotic ukranians (who prefer Poroshenko for example)

Why my fellow Europeans are in shock?

This continent has been subjected to such a level of propaganda that the myth of Zelenski means he is inviolable.

Why European leaders dont want the war to end?
If all their lies about Russia fall the continent is ready for a hard awakening since it will mean that all political class lied during years, and only AfD, lepen and people like that were "partially" being honest.
So current political class would be FINIQUITADOS. FINITO. CAPUT. C'EST FINI

 

[Overbom]

The situation is the next:


US needs its resources and attention to be focused in re industrialization and China. It cannot do it if all its intel and military resources are consumed in Ukraine.

Just a example. The Chip act of Biden was 40k to semiconductor industry. The support to Ukraine is maybe 100k. Priorities are clearly wrong

So, the US needs the deal with Russia more than anyone besides the ukranian normal people.

Russia does not need any deal.

Russia went to the hell of sanctions in 2022, to increase military expenditure, mobilize society, renew and grow its arm production, etc. Now is in a winning position with Ukraine crumbling (with or without US help).
Russia is in the position of finally carve big chunks of Ukraine in the next year. At the very minimum Kharkov and Dniepro regions.

So, for Russia to agree to a ceasefire Trump need to offer something substantial to them. HE said it clearly, I can be tough but then NO DEAL.
For the US is of paramount interest to finish this war asap. Additionally Trump won the elections promising to get out of the war, so he is being fully democratic here

Actions of Trump are based in pure pragmatism.

Why Zelenski is not interested in finishing the war?
The moment war finish the real looses of Ukraine will emerge and he will be retributed by ukranians. I assure you that Zelenski is not popular even between patriotic ukranians (who prefer Poroshenko for example)

Why my fellow Europeans are in shock?

This continent has been subjected to such a level of propaganda that the myth of Zelenski means he is inviolable.

Why European leaders dont want the war to end?
If all their lies about Russia fall the continent is ready for a hard awakening since it will mean that all political class lied during years, and only AfD, lepen and people like that were "partially" being honest.
So current political class would be FINIQUITADOS. FINITO. CAPUT. C'EST FINI

Russia should go for maximalist demands, and make Ukraine a landlocked country

For people who remember, when the war started I said that for Russia to come out as a net winner after all this big mess, would at minimum require to make Ukraine a landlock country and thus forever cripple it's potential. That's what is needed, and that's what Russia should aim for imo.

Russia already incurred so many costs, might as well as go for strategic level achievements

 

[Santamaria]

Russia should go for maximalist demands, and make Ukraine a landlocked country

For people who remember, when the war started I said that for Russia to come out as a net winner after all this big mess, would at minimum require to make Ukraine a landlock country and thus forever cripple it's potential. That's what is needed, and that's what Russia should aim for imo.

Russia already incurred so many costs, might as well as go for strategic level achievements

I agree with that, but I think Russia in negotiations would be satisfied with the current Oblasts plus Kharkov and installing a friendly regime in Ukraine with Russian military bases (something like Belarus).

Anyway I doubt this war will finish anytime soon, the UE will do everything in their hands to disrupt any agreement

I think simply the US will walk out, stop providing intel to Ukraine and wash their hands. They will start a campaign anti ukraine in their media to reduce sympathy of Americans towards them and thats all

 

[coolgod]

Russia should go for maximalist demands, and make Ukraine a landlocked country

For people who remember, when the war started I said that for Russia to come out as a net winner after all this big mess, would at minimum require to make Ukraine a landlock country and thus forever cripple it's potential. That's what is needed, and that's what Russia should aim for imo.

Russia already incurred so many costs, might as well as go for strategic level achievements

Ukraine's other neighbours are already sharpening their knives.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894642030648738204

 

[00CuriousObserver]

One thing I love about the Trump administration is the way he casually shreds the self-righteous hypocritical narrative that US vassals have built for themselves. It's really funny watching these people undergo an identity crisis.

As a firm believer in the realism school of thought, I am so satisfied to see this, after all these years of dumbass liberal IR takes.

 

[siegecrossbow]

As a firm believer in the realism school of thought, I am so satisfied to see this, after all these years of dumbass liberal IR takes.

Liberals exist because they have too much to eat. With skyrocketing food prices (especially eggs) it is no surprise that liberal sentiments are dying.

 

[Lnk111229]

That's a feature, not a bug.

Zelensky and Ukraine is a useful tool for the US to bleed Russia. Once the war is no longer tenable, Ukraine and Zelensky will be discarded like a used rag, just like the US did to South Vietnam, the Kurds, and the Afghans.

Talk about South Vietnam. Ngo Dinh Diem is getting a hell of welcome when he visit US. I mean US president D.D. Eisenhower come to airport greet Diem himself. Get parade through Manhattan, receive an honorary doctorate etc. Yet year latter still get shot in the head in US Armored vehicle with the help of CIA. So Zelensky with that shit show(fake or not) is unthinkable what he will get.