see my previous post. again its gone back to whether CCP directly support it or its a company decision. also do you have list on what ZTE sold to Iran, smartphone or actually iran network infrastructure.
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see my previous post. again its gone back to whether CCP directly support it or its a company decision. also do you have list on what ZTE sold to Iran, smartphone or actually iran network infrastructure.
ZTE is not in Iran just to sell mobile phones and wireless network. It built Iran's national fiber optic cable network for the Iranian state.
Are you demanding me to provide "red-head" document to you? I am not your spy.
Try it yourself.However I mistaken Huawei with ZTE. Huawei was the one reported to build the fiber network. But not much difference.
[edit], just realized, isn't wireless network itself a "infrastructure" as much as fiber network? After all, all civilians, military people, banking people and government people use it everywhere.
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I can't prove it with secret documents man. But to me, it's pretty clear that it's not a matter of greed. The US imposed a $1.2 billion fine on ZTE. ZTE's entire profit in 2017 was $720 million USD (). Then, ZTE decided to REWARD the employees involved for a job well one selling to Iran while losing the company more than 18 months of total profit. Using math and logic, does it look to you like it's a matter of money? If you still think so, then we'll just agree to disagree.
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Are you demanding me to provide "red-head" document to you? I am not your spy.
However I mistaken Huawei with ZTE. Huawei was the one reported to build the fiber network. But not much difference.
[edit], just realized, isn't wireless network itself a "infrastructure" as much as fiber network? After all, all civilians, military people, banking people and government people use it everywhere.
Like i said unless someone prove that ZTE/Huawei was under CCP order to sell equipment to IRAN, otherwise its solely company decision for making $$$. I just dont see CCP gain anything to counter US by selling network equipment to IRAN? other than $$ and establish good relationship with Iran for future project. There is no geo-political only economy gain.
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US probably intentionally put $1.2B to scare other potential company that may do business in IRAN, kind like kill the chicken to scare the monkey. As for employees involved in it, i remember GM doing bad financially in 2000's, the fed save them, yet the CEO got huge bonus. That kind of thing happen with alot company, the CEO/senior staff always get bonus even when things go bad. But we dont know whats going on within ZTE so i wont guess.
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When the GM CEOs got huge bonuses, 1. the company's decline was not attributed specifically to thier stupid mistakes, and 2. there was no deal specifying that THESE PEOPLE need to be punished to avoid further damage to the company. Basically, GM's decline was a matter of everyone doing their best, no obvious mistakes, but it didn't work out, which is not ZTE's situation.
The ZTE higher ups purposefully broke contracts, causing more than a year's profit to be fined and the result was that, they were rewarded. And you still think ZTE's all about money and anything else you won't guess? In other words, the purpose is to make money, so you reward the people who nearly deliberately lost you $1.2 billion and that makes sense to you? LOL OK then I guess that's where you're at. Nobody else here is on the same page as you though.
For me, the default position of an SOE is not profit; the default position is to advance Chinese interests, develop national technology, and follow the orders of the government. For me, this is the assumed primary goal of an SOE's actions unless there is proof otherwise.
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Is that the center of your thought? for that the answer is simple. Network equipment is as strategic as oil, without it the country will be in 19th century. So the gain for China is to prop up a strategic partner in west Asia? To gain influence in the region? To push back the US penetration into the OBOR center? To feed the US its own medicine of ignoring China's protest by selling weapon to Taiwan? What would US gain by selling weapon to Taiwan? If you can answer that, then you certainly will get the answer.
As of the "showing you the order", do you need an written order for your right hand to put the spun into your mouth? Or if I ask you to prove that it is actually your head ordered your hand to feed your mouth, will you call me crazy? ZTE is 100% owned by the government like your hand is fully controlled by your head.
Seriously, by now I have said everything and probably I have repeated myself many times, if you still don't get it you will never get it. I give up on you.
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