Trade War with China

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manqiangrexue

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you try to sound as if China won, as in Apr 19, 2018
Well, Trump did say he wanted to stop China from investing in Made in China 2025 and he did say he wanted to ban US sales of tech to ZTE. The effect was that he only strengthened the Made in China 2025 resolve (both in the long run by demonstrating need and in the short run by causing the two multi-billion dollar semiconductor funds to be created in China) and he ended up saying he wants to reverse his own ZTE ban. So... if it all pans out, it looks like a defensive victory for the CCP just by preventing the US from achieving its ill intents against China. And this could very likely be caused by what your article said: the ZTE ban had inflicted unintended negative effects on American suppliers to ZTE and companies that use ZTE for business so to prevent the damages from spreading, Trump wants to reverse the ban.
 
Well, Trump did say he wanted to stop China from investing in Made in China 2025 and he did say he wanted to ban US sales of tech to ZTE. The effect was that he only strengthened the Made in China 2025 resolve (both in the long run by demonstrating need and in the short run by causing the two multi-billion dollar semiconductor funds to be created in China) and he ended up saying he wants to reverse his own ZTE ban. So... if it all pans out, it looks like a defensive victory for the CCP just by preventing the US from achieving its ill intents against China. And this could very likely be caused by what your article said: the ZTE ban had inflicted unintended negative effects on American suppliers to ZTE and companies that use ZTE for business so to prevent the damages from spreading, Trump wants to reverse the ban.
I wouldn't be surprised if now China began to prosecute its top individuals involved in the ZTE case; anyway I wait to see what Xinhua says in addition to Today at 7:17 AM
now I read
U.S., China working to get ZTE back into business: Trump
Xinhua 2018-05-14 04:07:14
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(LOL just in case: I didn't look yet!)
 

plawolf

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I wouldn't be surprised if now China began to prosecute its top individuals involved in the ZTE case; anyway I wait to see what Xinhua says in addition to Today at 7:17 AM

(LOL just in case: I didn't look yet!)

Prosecute them for what exactly? They didn’t do anything wrong as far as Chinese or international law is concerned.

They did something that displeased America, and America decided to bust out the proverbial strategic nukes to punish them with.

It would be exactly the same scenario as if China suddenly banned all sale, direct or indirect, of all rare earth elements to a specific US company, Boeing for example, because it sold commercial airplanes to Taiwan that contained Chinese rare earths after China passed a domestic law banning that.

If that happened, would you suggest America prosecute Boeing top executives?
 
Not trying to take a side. Just analysing the repercussions of this event. China did not win, it's an infinite game. I don't look at this as America won or China won.

In a limited sense, we cannot consider China gained anything tangible until there is tangible changes in its industrial system. China only gained some elements to facilitate a change but the change didn't occur yet. As the plot progresses, we might see both nations getting a lot out of this exchange.
just my loose thoughts after lunch:

I think the Chinese are spinning in the way similar to the Kremlin in 2014 saying Western sanctions are useful for Russia ...

found sorta link:
Dec 30, 2014
just so that you may decide if I know what I'm talking about ...

as it's obvious China is going to need the trillions it makes in the US, and won't be making in the Eastern Hemisphere until the year you brought up Today at 7:44 AM which is 2025, while it's completely unclear how the World will be later;

but of course the US should be careful for reasons like May 2, 2018
America’s critical minerals problem has gone from bad to worse
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no, I didn't confuse threads:
similar for Western/Central Europe which may get frozen by Russia any Winter (I shouldn't be laughing now but actually I'm)
 

manqiangrexue

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I wouldn't be surprised if now China began to prosecute its top individuals involved in the ZTE case
ZTE was, once again, very sloppy. They outright gave these individuals rewards and kept them with the company. If it had to be done to make things look right, as it should have, ZTE could have "fired" them and then the government could give them their rewards and relocate them to nice positions in other companies or keep them as government advisers to be used for ZTE. Remember, ZTE was supposed to "punish" them; the Chinese government is not going to/supposed to do anything to them so it is not possible for China to "prosecute" them. The only way these people would be in trouble in China is if they were the sloppy people responsible for leakage of the evidence to the US team and they were being punished for that.
I think the Chinese are spinning in the way similar to the Kremlin in 2014 saying Western sanctions are useful for Russia ...
The most obvious spin is Trump trying to make it sound like he wants to help Chinese jobs when clearly, it's the damage done to the US that is making him rethink the ban. China's stance is that this is a lesson and the silver lining is that we must learn from it and restrengthen our resolve for the Made in China 2025 drive. Nobody in China is seriously celebrating the ZTE ban as a great thing; it's a challenge and we must make the best of it and become stronger through it.
 
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s002wjh

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Look like Trump on ZTE is because he want china to lower tariffs on soy bean

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China may remove tariffs on U.S. agricultural products, including soybeans, according to reports from Reuters and Dow Jones.

The two outlets said Monday U.S. and Chinese officials are working on a deal that would reprieve China's ZTE from sanctions which prohibit U.S. companies from selling components to the company. In exchange, Beijing would remove tariffs on U.S. soybeans, the reports said, which cited people familiar with the matter.
 

s002wjh

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No, ZTE's stupidity was not doing business with Iran. ZTE's stupidity was being sloppy with their data, bringing sensitive information with them to US trips and getting them seized by customs. ZTE needs to carry out its missions carefully and and tactfully, always ready for the utmost US response instead of assuming that the US wouldn't care or bother to investigate it, and being caught flat-footed when the investigation comes.

The soldier who lost his leg to inevitable enemy action is a hero; the solder who lost his leg because he purposefully stepped on an enemy landmine because he just didn't believe it would detonate is an idiot.
ZTE was selling parts with US parts in it to Iran then lie about it that was the issue. you sound like because someone cheat on exam got caught because he got sloppy where the real issues is he shouldn't cheat in the 1st place.
 
Today at 1:09 PM
... I wait to see what Xinhua says in addition to Today at 7:17 AM

...
... and now I read
China appreciates U.S. position on ZTE: Foreign Ministry
Xinhua| 2018-05-14 19:15:28
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China appreciates the U.S. position on Chinese telecom equipment maker ZTE, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lu Kang said Monday.

U.S. President Donald Trump said Sunday on Twitter that he and Chinese President Xi Jinping are working together to give ZTE "a way to get back into business, fast," and the U.S. Commerce Department has been instructed to work on the issue.

In response, Lu said China is keeping close communication with the United States on specific details and issues that the U.S. side is concerned about.

Earlier on Monday, Lu announced Chinese President Xi Jinping's special envoy, Vice Premier Liu He, would visit the United States from May 15 to 19 for economic and trade consultations.

Liu, also a member of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee and chief of the Chinese side of the China-U.S. comprehensive economic dialogue, will visit at the invitation of the U.S. administration.

Liu will continue to hold consultations with the U.S. economic team headed by U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on economic and trade issues between the two countries, Lu said.

"China stands ready to work with the United States to promote positive and constructive results in the forthcoming consultations," he said.
 

taxiya

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It seems like to me that Huawei is popular amongst Chinese due to its grasp on some key technologies while ZTE is more of a systems integrator or vendor of foreign technologies. The whole ZTE event seems to have blown up and caused many firms in China to rethink its supply chain.

I have never compared Huawei and ZTE's printed board, so I would not be able to compare them in technical merit. I am however pretty sure that both of them use lots of components from 3rd parties because it is simply not economical to make everything inhouse these days.

Huawei got more like a star among Chinese is IMO because firstly its success in making phones, secondly a bit similar to Apple Fan, or Elon Musk Fan or Warren Buffett Fan that is to say not rationally based popular. If you come around Chinese BBS you can see all these kind of Fan based bashing each other. One such example is the "Huawei scandal of Muslim preaching software" with Huawei being at the receiving end. I am trying to say that lots of the popularity are not due to technical merit, but rather "追星,崇拜" (star chasing, worshiping) and even religious, nationalistic or whatever one can find fitting.
 
now read plus watched the report inside
Trump throws ZTE curveball as big week for US-China trade begins
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only the last point was interesting though (but I couldn't have known hahaha) I mean 3. US businesses have their say
 
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